.460 Rowland host gun

[Charliecgdn]

I understand that, in general, Glocks from the factory are more reliable and tougher than 1911s from the factory. Does that also apply to Rowland 460 conversions? I know that the rowland conversion was designed for the 1911. Is the Glock more reliable and durable once converted. I am one of those guys caught between what I'd enjoy shooting, a carbon steel 1911, and what I should have in an emergency, a Glock 21 sf. Thanks,

[Kmai24]

You can also convert a 5" tactical xd45.

[JTROKS]

My advise is to work up slowly. Glock 21s have been successfully converted to 45 Super and 460 Rowland. The question is how long will it last with max loads. 45 Super maxes out at 30K PSI, add another 10K and that's 460 Rowland pressures. Once you've done your conversion load up 100 rounds using 45 Super data and inspect the frame every 20 rounds. If you get through 100 rounds of 30K PSI without any ill effect to the frame then it's a go to load up 460 Rowland starting loads, which should be 34-36K PSI. Do that until you get to your power level goal. If you get to max loads I suggest inspecting the frame every 10 rounds.

I'm sure 45 Rowland loads will exert more stress on a Glock 21. One of the FBI's reason in switching from 40 S&W to 9mm is to reduce wear and maintenance thus saving money. A Glock 21 frame is the same as G20 frame and the 10mm SAAMI pressure is 37K PSI. Most folks firing real 10mm loads will replace the OEM recoil spring with 22 lb. So far I haven't heard of any catastrophic failure with a G20 firing full up 10mm ammo.

[Masterdebater]

Wow two replies in and no one touched on the, "Glocks from the factory are more reliable and tougher than 1911s from the factory."

Stay tuned..

[Carcassonne]

Do not convert a G21 to 460 Rowland. Find a cheap 1911 to beat up.


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[Romeo_alpha01]

Use a mk23. Lol

[pacmule]

You can use a 6" bull barrel in the 1911, or a 6" slide and barrel on the G21, the extra weight will slow down the slide and beat the gun less.

[Charliecgdn]

Thanks, for the replies. I didn't get any email notices that anybody replied so I didn't check for posts.
JT, thanks for the details.
Masterdebater, I'm staying tuned.
Carcassonne, is that because the G21 won't take the stress and a 1911 will?

[morrcarr67]

Wow two replies in and no one touched on the, "Glocks from the factory are more reliable and tougher than 1911s from the factory."

Stay tuned..

With people like that it's not worth the effort.

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[Charliecgdn]

Good grief morrcarr67, you sound like Hillary Clinton! Was I asking a "Deplorable" question. I was honestly seeking the advice of wiser, more experienced people. Clearly, I must not have been addressing you.

[decepticon6551]

[morrcarr67]

Good grief morrcarr67, you sound like Hillary Clinton! Was I asking a "Deplorable" question. I was honestly seeking the advice of wiser, more experienced people. Clearly, I must not have been addressing you.

My comment had nothing to do with your question, rather your comment.

You're obviously a Glock Fanboy and once you get a notion in your head that the Glock is the best thing ever made there is no going back for you.

At least that's how it's been for most Glock Fanboys on this sight.

[Charliecgdn]

Are you sure you're not a liberal democrat? You're really good at passing judgment on a person you don't know. That's very left-wing, black mask, university professor behavior. Just kidding, if your're on this forum you're probably not. On the other hand, you are promoting a pizza parlor in the snooty, left-wing West Hollywood, Beverly hills area 8>).

True, I own a Glock 17, but not because I liked it. My ex-delta force firearms instructor suggested that I buy it. He watched me shoot 5 different semi-autos during my 1st class, and pointed out that I shot the G17 the best, hands-down. Granted, I did not shoot a 1911 during the class.

Frankly, I like everything else about a 1911 better than a Glock, and I want a Rowland .460. I simply want to know if, because the Rowland conversion was developed for the 1911, is it equal to or more dependable than a G21 conversion. If so, this "Glock fanboy" would rather have a 1911. Odd for a Glock fanboy, huh?

I don't get the resentment toward Glock fanboys". I seems to me that "fanboys" of the 1911, M&P, xD, Redhawks, Blackhawks, Linebaugh and Huntingtons are just as rabid. As a matter of fact, when the superiority of Wilsons, Ed Browns, or Les Baers comes up, anybody who disagrees might as well sit down and shut up. Glock people haven't cornered the market on being dicks.

I suspect that it has to do with Glocks kicking dependability butt on every on everything else when they 1st came out. The best thing Glock ever did was force other manufactures to raise their game. Because of that, Glock isn't the only choice for a great striker fired polymer pistol any more. It's depressing that a Californian isn't allowed to buy one of the great American made polymer pistols.

I don't see the point in having contempt for Glock owners because they like their guns a lot. Glock did good and I wish they were an American company, but everything being equal, I'd still rather have a 1911.

[Aidenpeacemaker]

460 rowland.

I have a 460 conversion for my go to trp op. I have fired over 10k worth of 45s from +++p. To maxed out 45 super and maxed out 460. The 460 is a pretty impressive round. I don't think I would like to shoot it out of a glock. It's pretty stout with the 1911..

[morrcarr67]

Are you sure you're not a liberal democrat? You're really good at passing judgment on a person you don't know. That's very left-wing, black mask, university professor behavior. Just kidding, if your're on this forum you're probably not. On the other hand, you are promoting a pizza parlor in the snooty, left-wing West Hollywood, Beverly hills area 8>).

True, I own a Glock 17, but not because I liked it. My ex-delta force firearms instructor suggested that I buy it. He watched me shoot 5 different semi-autos during my 1st class, and pointed out that I shot the G17 the best, hands-down. Granted, I did not shoot a 1911 during the class.

Frankly, I like everything else about a 1911 better than a Glock, and I want a Rowland .460. I simply want to know if, because the Rowland conversion was developed for the 1911, is it equal to or more dependable than a G21 conversion. If so, this "Glock fanboy" would rather have a 1911. Odd for a Glock fanboy, huh?

I don't get the resentment toward Glock fanboys". I seems to me that "fanboys" of the 1911, M&P, xD, Redhawks, Blackhawks, Linebaugh and Huntingtons are just as rabid. As a matter of fact, when the superiority of Wilsons, Ed Browns, or Les Baers comes up, anybody who disagrees might as well sit down and shut up. Glock people haven't cornered the market on being dicks.

I suspect that it has to do with Glocks kicking dependability butt on every on everything else when they 1st came out. The best thing Glock ever did was force other manufactures to raise their game. Because of that, Glock isn't the only choice for a great striker fired polymer pistol any more. It's depressing that a Californian isn't allowed to buy one of the great American made polymer pistols.

I don't see the point in having contempt for Glock owners because they like their guns a lot. Glock did good and I wish they were an American company, but everything being equal, I'd still rather have a 1911.

Well I have a disdain for all fanboys and haters. I can't tell you how many times I've seen nonsense posted by people in both those categories.

I don't know much about the Rowland conversions but I'm from the school of using things as designed. Which means if it was developed for the 1911 platform then that's what I would use.

And just so you know I'm not a 1911 fanboy, though I am a fan of JMB's designs. I currently own 3 different guns made on his designs. Only one of by the original manufacturer.

Nor do I think the 1911 is the end all be all. In fact, my favorite gun that I currently own is a modified clone of a modified clone of a gun that is based on JMB's design of 1935.

I have shot the Glock way back when they were first imported into the country. I didn't like anything about the gun. However unlike some people I will still recommend them. Why? Because I know that they are good weapons and that they work well for a lot of other people.

I hope you're happy with your Rowland when you get it and I expect a full review of which ever one you get.

Jesse

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