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For a carry gun regardless of the reputation, you must train and practice with that gun until you know that gun and trust "that" gun
Their in lies the rub
I have shot almost all of the current lineup in the free world
The Kahr is a fine gun and can marginally be a pocket gun
It is a soft shooter due to the springs. The long trigger pull is perfect for a pocket carry with no safety. However as a more advanced shooter, I find it to be a handful with one hand. I like to be able to rack a gun on a hard surface from a slide closed condition. I cannot do that with a Kahr. That said I would not hesitate to trust my Kahr
The non-CA shield is perfect for a inside waist carry. I can rack it from closed. The trigger is acceptable. Some shields will not let the ejector jump over a round if you are out of ammo and need to single feed, with the magazine in the gun
If you have a shield you can shoot it all day
With proper training both can be manipulated with your weak hand
Springfield XDs is my preference for a 9mm IWB. A little heavier
Walther PPS is second choice
Both have ambidextrous mag release, for a shot in the arm scenario
Glock 43 is for close quarter combat, as in arm's length deep in the S**T, life or death. It is light and not pleasant to shoot
My LEO friend let me shoot his G43 BUG
Ruger LC9s is my Dads favorite and I would put in in the same category of the Glock 43, he lives in the free world , he trust his life with it and has CCW
I love 1911 style, but striker fired or revolver is the Gold standard for a carry gun
The lighter the gun the less likely you are to practice.
I prefer to avoid all .380, but I would not stand in front of one either. Ammo for .380 is expensive. With modern ammunition the .380 is a viable option
The Kahr PM380 I shot was a joy to shoot. It was a rental and I had allot of malfunctions
Back to the original point, you can only trust the gun that you have put hundreds, if not thousand of rounds down range
My .02Last edited by Malthusian; 05-07-2017, 6:21 PM."While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.Comment
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Had both. I think the crucial decision comes down to which you would carry 100%
S&W is a known constant. Reliable and big with a great trigger (for me). It's heavy for its capacity, but just a great shooter.
PM9 is smaller, but just as accurate. However the pinky will hang off and the magazine is the weak link. PM9 will definitely take some break-in IMHO. You will need to make damn sure it works before you trust it.Comment
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The pinky is a great topic
Some people adapt and just curl the pinky under the gun. That's me. It also helps you lock your wrist, which helps recoil management
Kahr makes longer mags with plastic floor plates, you can order "Metal" floor plates to replace the cheesy plastic ones
Pierce might make pinky floor plates for the Kahr
My used XDs came with one mag with a pinky floor plate
The pinky finger is helpful with draw, as is the pinky for a Katana swordsman.
The pinky has no strength what so ever with it comes to "gripping" the fire arm
Pinky on the grip is a matter of preference and comfort. I start with the mag with the pinky extension, but only because it came with the gun. I probably would be fine with the "short" factory magazine out of the box. I train with the longer extended mags. after the initial mag change
The shield also has longer mags, which i have and train with the longer mags as well
The smaller the handgun, the more reliability issues and sometimes they become more fussy with the ammo"While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.Comment
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I've had the CM9 and was very surprised at how well it handled recoil. It was accurate enough, trigger was ok, but had a very long pull. I never had issues with it, but I personally shoot the Shield better, so I carry a Shield.
Recently I needed a recoil spring for my Shield and was unable to find them available, so I e-mailed S&W. They sent me the spring assembly...........no charge.
I don't think you can go wrong either way OP, just go shoot both side by side and pick what you like................
But, you can get 2 Shields for the price of a PM9, or buy one Shield and spend the rest on ammo...........Comment
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"While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.Comment
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Interesting.. I thought I read the opposite in my manual. "Do not ride the slide, release the slide using slide release. Do not sling shot to load first round."Originally posted by sgk
Taken from there FAQ page here:
Q. My firearm fails to chamber the first round when I pull back the slide and release it. What is wrong?
A. It is likely you are either failing to pull the slide fully back or you are riding the slide as you release it. We recommend that you lock back the slide, insert the magazine, and release the slide with the slide stop. This will require that you carry a load in the chamber for self defense purposes. However, the passive safety system will prevent the pistol from firing unless the trigger is pulled, even if the gun is dropped. If you would prefer not to carry a round in the chamber, you may remove a round from the magazine. This alters the angle of the bullet and will allow it to chamber even if you ride the slide.Comment
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Between the two, I would go with the Shield. I bought the Kahr (cm9) and had tons of issues with it ftf, fte etc. It also broke a brand new magazine follower. Kahr's customer service sucked. They didn't return emails and I could never get them to amswer the phone. I sold it and bought the slightly larger Glock 43. Very happy so far.Comment
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I have the pm9 and it has never jammed. And I bought it new at Turners. I prefer the pinky Pearce accessor you, it makes a world of difference. The gun is accurate and super nice. I will say that racking the slide back probably has more tension than other guns, but I got used to that. The gun is practically a real pocketable glock, they even look similar. I have the shield 40 and that one is nice too. But I really do like the pm9. Oh, funny thing is never had issue with pm9, but tons of issues with kahr p380.Comment
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The main issue with kahrs jamming and not being able to "slingshot" load is the crappy mag follower. Switch to maggutz which uses what looks to be identical to a McCormick mag and no more nose diving rounds or jams whatsoeverComment
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I own both. The PM9 is easier to carry, slips easily into my pockets. The Shield (w/ Apex parts) is a little better in feel when shooting but larger. Both have been reliable with both reloads and hollow point factory ammo. The PM9 gets the nod most times I'm on the moveComment
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