Five-Seven: appropriate SD choice?

[Franklincollector]

It is just a .22 caliber round with a small bullet. It depends upon your projectile profile, and 1800 FPS matters less than squat. You may be over penetrating the target with no expansion.

A subsonic .45 ACP HP will make a bigger hole in the body, with a bigger blood channel, and, realistically, how many people are going to assault you wearing body armor?

First shot is to the chest (center of mass) to stop, and the next one is to the head. Most home defense gunfights are conducted at 7 yards or less, so all one has to do is point and focus on the front sight. Forget the rear sight.

For HD, no one needs any more than a .45/.40/9mm/.38 Super.

It all has to do with the combat mindset, and one must take that into consideration, no matter the weapon.

Your .22 is a toy as a primary weapon insofar as any manner of serious defense is concerned. I would much rather address an adversary with my 1911 .22 shooting LR ammo as a secondary arm if my 1911 .45 ACP went to junk, for whatever reason.

You might want to rethink your scenario.

Have a good night!

Jim

You seem to know a lot.

I guess those hundreds of law enforcement agencies are all stupid because it's only a .22 and 1800 fps doesn't matter. Say what you like though. There is nothing at all wrong with .45, I think I have 30 or 40 pistols in that caliber.

If you were lucky enough to have a 30 round magazine in a gun that is stupid easy on the follow up shot, I think you'd be just fine. LEO misses something like 80-90 percent of their shots in a close quarters battle. I'd rather have six hits then maybe one.

Saying a 22 round is a toy with regards to self defense is just stupid. A .22 caliber round is responsible for 0 deaths through history, war etc. Wait a sec..

5mm is a soft arse diameter and has no place, definitely a toy.

[Cato]

I think it's the perfect SD round. I'm a fan of light and fast and of course, shot placement. The modest recoil will be a big help at 3am and you are pissing your pants trying to deal with a home invader.

[Franklincollector]

I think it's the perfect SD round. I'm a fan of light and fast and of course, shot placement. The modest recoil will be a big help at 3am and you are pissing your pants trying to deal with a home invader.

No it's not. Being able to hit someone over and over again is pointless with a .22.

Kidding aside, this is 100% correct and based off logic.

[Zac911]

I wanted the FiveSeven so bad, and for so long, and with ample opportunities to buy it in the past 7 years but I just can't get myself to do it... almost every advantage the FiveSeven has is nerfed in CA including ammo.

Just pointless if you wanted it for anything more than just a range novelty. Move on and get something else.

Same boat as you. When I look at the bigger picture the redundancy of 9, 40 and 45 ammo those 3 calibers just makes more sense.

Future availability of ammo should always be one of the biggest considerations.

Now if I had the money to throw around just because? Sure, but I'd opt for a 10mm before a FiveSeven.

[Haplo]

It will do fine, just practice so you're effective with it under high stress. Make sure you can clear a malfunction very quickly.

[Franklincollector]

It will do fine, just practice so you're effective with it under high stress. Make sure you can clear a malfunction very quickly.

I've shot 4000+ through mine without a single problem. Thats more than I can say for my glocks and 1911's.

[003]

Is the ammo used by the USSS available to civilians?

NO

Is there a difference in muzzle velocity that might make it more effective out of a PDW than a pistol?

Yes

[003]

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[Sure Shot 45]

I think that settles it. I pretty much NEED to get a Five-Seven, but I should probably relegate it to just a range toy and keep using my 9/45/10's for defense since the 57 doesn't really do much that those can't do unless the bad guy is 100 yards away (In which case, I probably shouldn't be shooting at them)

That's good to hear, it's a fine weapon indeed!

I wouldn't limit it as a range toy. Could be used in a survivalist type situation, where you might have to travel long distances on foot. It could be your primary weapon in place of a long gun, as it's useful at higher than normal range for a pistol.

[CandG]

That's good to hear, it's a fine weapon indeed!

I wouldn't limit it as a range toy. Could be used in a survivalist type situation, where you might have to travel long distances on foot. It could be your primary weapon in place of a long gun, as it's useful at higher than normal range for a pistol.

I hadn't thought about that, that's a pretty good point

[CandG]

Now that I've decided to get one, I'm discovering it isn't that easy to find them for sale anywhere

[Franklincollector]

Kinda makes "the USSS uses it" argument null and void, then.

Caliber choice is one of the least important factors for a self defense pistol.

Skill, tactics and mindset are the most important.

OP, just pick a common service round, enhance your skillset. Quit worrying about magic bullets.

Totally correct.

[Sure Shot 45]

^^^^To HopetownBrown

I've achieved 2" - 2 1/2" in. groups on paper at 25 yards. Ammo scarcity is going to be what it is. The fact is you can carry a lot of ammo as it's very compact. With the standard mags 20 round mags, this would be excellent option to have in the bag!

[Sure Shot 45]

Now that I've decided to get one, I'm discovering it isn't that easy to find them for sale anywhere

CA 10 round In stock free ship $1,199.99

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/150693

[CandG]

CA 10 round In stock free ship $1,199.99

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst....cfm/ID/150693

Perfect, thank you!