Hiking sidearm - Bears Beware :)

[Satex]

Isn't this somewhat similar to the Ruger Alaskan?

S&W 629 Performance Center 44 Rem Mag - 6rd

[TheCarpenter]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3WdDb44Fo

Fast forward to 2:10 extremely seasoned hunter used way more than 6rds. to stop a threat. Glock 20 for me 10-17rds. At the ready.

[robodeer]

Hiking sidearm - Bears Beware

Sure. Take half of your quote to respond to. Sure, rain and wind. You said spray users have physical and envitonmental issues, and I eould agree that the same could be said with a firearm. Obviously, there's this bear that your handgun, regardless of caliber, probably ain't stopping:







But, how often are you actually training with your hiking firearm at something other than shooting a few big freaking rounds at paper 15y out? Are you confident that you could shoot a charging bear with the 454 in wind and rain? I sure as hell ain't. So yes, "wind and rain". The variables are still there. Potentially less than the effect they'd have on spray, but still evident. Heck, I just watched a vid about the capacity of defending yourself in the dry daylight against a dude with a knife. Change that dude into a pissed bear in the wind and rain.......yeah. It's gonna be tough with our without spray or a gun.

I was making a more complex argument than that. From what I've read,clear spray would be most useful for most cases and skill levels. It wasn't the end-all that has been touted by some groups, though, and it doesn't dissuade a bear that's actively hunting you for food. So says a Canadian forestry official. Some hikers tried to use bear spray and it worked for a while (and they could track their progress for a ways) until the spray ran out. In that case, a revolver that someone "doesn't train with" would still be relatively ineffective on a grizzly instead of the predatory black bear (which said groups also ignore), but it's better than an empty can of bear spray. The Canadian recommended slugs, but it would be hard to hit a moving target with anything in that span of time.

But still... Take a chance with a gun or not at all. That's more of a personal choice. I don't get the Internet passion over the disagreement, though.

Edit: I re-read the quote that you're referring to. Are you more focused on the "determination" part or the part about wind & rain affecting bear spray and that being the same for firearms? I replied to parts of that earlier with "less aggressive = bear spray, more aggressive = the person is %!@&$!" part. The "environmental factors are the same" part is more debatable,though. I've read the same things about the effectiveness of firearms vs. bears, but I didn't see anyone mention the ineffectiveness of bear spray depending on the "mode" that the bear is in or the part about how solo black bears are also statistically notable for predatory attacks. Maybe worth noting, maybe not. Some bill bear spray as the end all, and that's not quite the case. Fighting off a bear (with anything) is preferable to playing dead if they see you as a human Scooby snack.

[Sunday]

a 4 or 6 inch barrel would increase the feet per second .

[smle-man]

How does the recoil of a 10mm compare to a .45, .357, etc?

Depends on the weight of the handgun launching the bullet. My 1006's recoil is not bad at all but it is a heavy piece of ordnance.

You've got to feel sorry for the woman in the video, she bought the whole bear spray line completely from the anti hunters. Luckily the bear dined on her kayak instead of her. Wonder how she got home?

[Echidin]

Congrats, OP

I had the 627 PC (.357 mag) and that thing was a beauty, but boy did it sting like a bee with those wood grips after a while of shooting.

[dozer wright]

Nice Firearm

Nice piece just saw one At Guns, Fishing in Dublin. I love my Alaskan in 44 mag. Easy to carry extra weight keeps muzzle on point. Im guessing similar with this. Get some Underwood loads and speed loaders and enjoy.

[Nrai2020]

Anyone see the Revenant yet? It's an amazing movie!!!!!

Either way a handgun vs charging bear you re screwed.. But If I m screwed I d rather take that bear down with me..

If given the choice of bear spray or handgun I d take the bear spray.. But I don't do any deep woods camping or hiking.. I live in Redding so I do the occasional hiking but nothing too hardcore..

[Ford8N]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3WdDb44Fo
Fast forward to 2:10 extremely seasoned hunter used way more than 6rds. to stop a threat. Glock 20 for me 10-17rds. At the ready.

That guy is a dumb *** and gives hunters and gun owners a bad name.

[73Jim]

How does the recoil of a 10mm compare to a .45, .357, etc?

The 180g Armscor and the Hornady 155g HP feel like a 40 out of a Glock 20. Really very average. The Buffalo Bore 180g is less than a 357 revolver, close but definitely less.

I use 180g Xtreme bullets on 5.3g of HP-38 for a training round. I'll keep new Buffalo Bore for full power loads.

I was expecting more...bang...or something, but for a hunting sidearm it is just what you want, boring and drama free.

[kmullins]

Make sure you file down the front sight. That way, when the bear puts it where the sun don't shine it won't hurt as bad!



Nice gun.

[John Browning]

The 180g Armscor and the Hornady 155g HP feel like a 40 out of a Glock 20. Really very average. The Buffalo Bore 180g is less than a 357 revolver, close but definitely less.

I use 180g Xtreme bullets on 5.3g of HP-38 for a training round. I'll keep new Buffalo Bore for full power loads.

I was expecting more...bang...or something, but for a hunting sidearm it is just what you want, boring and drama free.

Factory 10mm is slow. Very slow.

[Biigg50]

I was gonna mention it's going to be loud with an abnoxious blast combined with a snappy recoil impulse torquing your wrist while the muzzle aims skyward. I didn't want to discourage you one bit.



Time to buck up and show the non-believers that you have the blood of John Taffin and JD Jones.



I myself love shooting big bores, but not short barreled ones.

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My son shooting 335gr. Loads at 1250fps out of my 3 5/8" Ruger old model Vaquero 45LC. Lots of noise, torque, blast and recoil. But loads of fun and great first shot accuracy. It's those follow up shots that will get ya.

[skyungjae]

You might be better off with some sort of bear mace/pepper spray.



If it's good enough for Dog the Bounty Hunger, it's good enough for you.

[kcjr1125]

ive been wanting the Ruger alaskan in 454C but 44 mag will do as well. The Glock 20 however in 10 mm and a longslide wouldnt be a bad choice either due to capacity. Thats probably going to be my next purchase.

What do you guys think about a Ruger Vaquero (not new) with some Buffalo Bore bullets in 45LC?