Why do people delete the price when they have sold their pistol?

[aarteaga]

I think a private deal is between the buyer and seller, whomever who is standing around...lol

[devious21]

Why do people delete the price when they have sold their pistol?

I think a private deal is between the buyer and seller, whomever who is standing around...lol

We aren't talking about the private deal though. We are talking about the publicly listed asking price that's put out to the entire Calgun's community and the public internet.

[keenkeen]

I think a private deal is between the buyer and seller, whomever who is standing around...lol

Yep, and once the deal is done-

Always delete the price...always.

$: SOLD!

[_TomT_]

Here's a thought experiment.

You're in a foreign country and a vendor comes up and offers you a trinket for $60. The trinket is unique to that country.

You don't know if it's a good price and of course you don't have access to his records to know what he's sold them to other people for or if it's customary to haggle for a lower price.

But what if you look to your right, and you see a row of shops all selling the same trinket in their front windows. They are closed but what if you walked over you could see the asking price in the window. It's not as good as knowing the final price people buy it at, but could there be any value in knowing what other shops are asking for it?

But what if one of those shops has an asking price that's way too high? Wouldn't that throw you off? No. Because it's sitting next door to 6 other shops. Could they conspire to all raise their prices and throw off the market? They could, but there's 6 more shops across the street and another 30 across town. That's why it doesn't have any significant impact.

What if no other shops nearby are selling it? But then you see a newspaper on the ground from a few weeks ago showing the asking price from multiple shops. Would you not take a look? Is having no information more valuable then having some to determine whether or not $60 is a reasonable price to pay for the trinket?


This analogy addresses both why attempting to sabotage the market out of spite is not very effective and why the asking price, while not the final sales price, is still very valuable information.

That's one helluva hypotehtical... Personally I leave my prices up, and I honestly do not care if people delete theirs. However if I were offered a $60 trinket, I would just come up with my own conclusions as to whether the trinket is worth the $60 for me instead of run around to see if other people are paying the same price for the trinket.

[devious21]

That's one helluva hypotehtical... Personally I leave my prices up, and I honestly do not care if people delete theirs. However if I were offered a $60 trinket, I would just come up with my own conclusions as to whether the trinket is worth the $60 for me instead of run around to see if other people are paying the same price for the trinket.

But what would you base that conclusion on? My guess would be the relative value of similar trinkets you do have experience with. The difficult part of that hypothetical is trying to create a scenario in a vacuum.

And whether or not it's worth while to take a walk past the shops or look down at the newspaper on the ground is simply a cost/benefit analysis. If that $60 trinket is instead a $600 trinket, it may then be worth 5 minutes of your time to take a walk around the market before you make a purchasing decision.

[_TomT_]

But what would you base that conclusion on? My guess would be the relative value of similar trinkets you do have experience with. The difficult part of that hypothetical is trying to create a scenario in a vacuum.

And whether or not it's worth while to take a walk past the shops or look down at the newspaper on the ground is simply a cost/benefit analysis. If that $60 trinket is instead a $600 trinket, it may then be worth 5 minutes of your time to talk a walk around the market before you make a purchasing decision.

First of all I wouldn't buy a $600 trinket in a foreign country nor a $60 one unless its one of them monkey paws that grants 3 wishes and they let me try out one of the wishes. Also when it comes to firearms, I look up brand new prices and/or if the gun is on the roster or not.

[devious21]

First of all I wouldn't buy a $600 trinket in a foreign country nor a $60 one unless its one of them monkey paws that grants 3 wishes and they let me try out one of the wishes. Also when it comes to firearms, I look up brand new prices and/or if the gun is on the roster or not.

Haha. Well that's getting off topic and out of the hypothetical, but I'm inclined to agree with you on your position of buying overseas trinkets.

But yes, new prices are helpful for on-roster guns. But not so for off-roster guns, which normally sell for higher used than they do brand new in the free states.

[Packy14]

I delete prices to piss off people so that they can start incredibly long threads about.

If you really need to know the price of something, before buying or selling, just troll the market place for a week or two. It's simple as long as you have patience.

Dan

But but he's entitled to it and you're a selfish bad man if you won't leave that info for him

[devious21]

But but he's entitled to it and you're a selfish bad man if you won't leave that info for him

You can straw man all you want but you've stated (and I agree with you), that it's the seller who entitled to choose whether or not to modify their post.

So I don't see the benefit in you trying to play the "entitled" card since it doesn't make any sense.

[Packy14]

We aren't talking about the private deal though. We are talking about the publicly listed asking price that's put out to the entire Calgun's community and the public internet.

It's listed for all the world to see until poof it's gone.. Sorry you missed it. Unless you buy Calguns or can convince kestryll to make a rule on this, good luck, your argument and a buck might get you a cup of coffee. I went back and deleted a bunch more of my old sale threads in your honor.

[devious21]

It's listed for all the world to see until poof it's gone.. Sorry you missed it. Unless you buy Calguns or can convince kestryll to make a rule on this, good luck, your argument and a buck might get you a cup of coffee. I went back and deleted a bunch more of my old sale threads in your honor.

You are correct that reasoned arguments are only effective to reasonable people, so you can assume that any of the arguments I make here are not intended for your consumption. And again, for the 12th time, I don't want Calguns to force sellers to do anything. That isn't my intention or goal. So I wont be trying to get them create any enforcement of any kind.

I'm simply appealing to those people who are reasonable and rational to consider the effects of nuking the data that's valuable to people who use the classifieds. So feel free to stomp your feet like a child and delete everything you wish. You've made it clear you have no intention of helping the community.

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It's listed for all the world to see until poof it's gone..

No it's not gone. It's gone from Calgun's search. One of the points I have been trying to get across, for your own benefit, is that information you post on the internet, in the clear, is not private. That's why it's a bad idea to post private information, phone numbers, etc. Just because you can't see it anymore doesn't mean that data doesn't touch dozens of servers and network hardware every time someone views it, isn't captured in logs around the world and isn't living on in random corners all over the web.

This is why the privacy argument is vexing. If an asking price was private information, it shouldn't be broadcast on the internet, in the clear, with no registration required to view it, in the first place.

[Packy14]

You are correct that reasoned arguments are only effective to reasonable people, so you can assume that any of the arguments I make here are not intended for your consumption. And again, for the 12th time, I don't want Calguns to force sellers to do anything. That isn't my intention or goal. So I wont be trying to get them create any enforcement of any kind.

I'm simply appealing to those people who are reasonable and rational to consider the effects of nuking the data that's valuable to people who use the classifieds. So feel free to stomp your feet like a child and delete everything you wish. You've made it clear you have no intention of helping the community.

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No it's not gone. It's gone from Calgun's search. One of the points I have been trying to get across, for your own benefit, is that information you post on the internet, in the clear, is not private. That's why it's a bad idea to post private information, phone numbers, etc. Just because you can't see it anymore doesn't mean that data doesn't touch dozens of servers and network hardware every time someone views it, isn't captured in logs around the world and isn't living on in random corners all over the web.

This is why the privacy argument is vexing. If an asking price was private information, it shouldn't be broadcast on the internet, in the clear, with no registration required to view it, in the first place.

Lol you certainly sound more like a child stomping their feet than I do, especially since so many of us are so very unreasonable. And of course nothing on the Internet is private, you can always way back machine it. What you can't seem to get your head around is that just because an off list hard to find gun was sold for x amount of $ last month, anyone else who has one may value theirs higher and the market at that time will determine if that price is reasonable or not, and usually if it's a desirable enough gun there is someone who is not price sensitive who will buy it, even at an outlandish price, if no other options exist at that time and the desire is big enough. Anyway good luck to you in your endeavors, I'm done wasting my time on this thread, I have more old sales to go back and delete .

[devious21]

you can always way back machine it.

That's correct, if it's listening, which you'll probably find that as of recent, it now is.

What you can't seem to get your head around is that just because an off list hard to find gun was sold for x amount of $ last month, anyone else who has one may value theirs higher and the market at that time will determine if that price is reasonable or not

I can wrap my head around it fine.

If something is worth $1,000 dollars, a seller can absolutely list it for $1,600 and the market will slowly dictate what it's actually worth as time goes by. You and I agree on that.

My point is that you can make more informed decisions in both listing and buying items, when you have information available. It's more efficient and helps people not be taken advantage of. I don't see how anything you've said shows that to not be the case.

You can continue to put forward arguments that don't actually refute my point of view, or not. Either way is okay with me.

[meno377]

Not even close. Almost every single person in favor of deleting info has made "arguments" based on personal preference.

Arguing personal preference would be silly, since we can all choose to do as we please.

Arguments in favor of leaving data up have revolved around the opinions that this data IS beneficial to some people.

The benefit is reduced for the sellers, who have competed their transaction and most likely won't use the info again. These same people refuse to look beyond their narrow view to see that the info can be useful to others.

I can respect people who do understand this and say "I don't care if it's useful to others" for their honesty. Narrow but honest. Others (the majority?) are just narrow.

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I forgot a valid argument (IMO). Getting annoying pm's asking "is this still available" is probably the best personal argument I've seen against leaving data up. I think it would be easy to ignore those pm's but it's still a valid argument.

While I can't speak for others, I can see from the market place as I have said before that the asking price is useless. The asking price is never based on the true value of the item, with a few exceptions. The benefit that you and "devious21" claim is inaccurate.

Now if you don't care about the accuracy of the posted prices then by all means go ahead and collect all the data you want. I would agree if the sellers were posting the actual price they received from the sales transaction, but I bet that won't happen in most, if not all cases.

[meno377]

Here's a thought experiment.

You're in a foreign country and a vendor comes up and offers you a trinket for $60. The trinket is unique to that country.

You don't know if it's a good price and of course you don't have access to his records to know what he's sold them to other people for or if it's customary to haggle for a lower price.

But what if you look to your right, and you see a row of shops all selling the same trinket in their front windows. They are closed but what if you walked over you could see the asking price in the window. It's not as good as knowing the final price people buy it at, but could there be any value in knowing what other shops are asking for it?

But what if one of those shops has an asking price that's way too high? Wouldn't that throw you off? No. Because it's sitting next door to 6 other shops. Could they conspire to all raise their prices and throw off the market? They could, but there's 6 more shops across the street and another 30 across town. That's why it doesn't have any significant impact.

What if no other shops nearby are selling it? But then you see a newspaper on the ground from a few weeks ago showing the asking price from multiple shops. Would you not take a look? Is having no information more valuable then having some to determine whether or not $60 is a reasonable price to pay for the trinket?


This analogy addresses both why attempting to sabotage the market out of spite is not very effective and why the asking price, while not the final sales price, is still very valuable information.

So again, are you really interested in the final sales price or the listed price?