San Bernardino

[MiXoLoGiSt]

Called June 5th or so for appointment
Sept 4th interview/livescan
??? Residence check???
October 14th cleared, scheduled range day
December 13th range day
December 23 permit ready and picked up

Ok so overall the process from applying to picking up your permit was almost 7 months. So what they told me wasn't wrong at all.

[Nopal]

Ok so overall the process from applying to picking up your permit was almost 7 months. So what they told me wasn't wrong at all.

Not only that, but it also shows that the bulk of the delay is not the backed-up range, but the bloated and inefficient approval process itself.

[herdafer]

Not only that, but it also shows that the bulk of the delay is not the backed-up range, but the bloated and inefficient approval process itself.

^agreed

The CA DOJ and FBI both submitted responses the same day as my livescan (which was done on the morning of my interview, actually prior to my interview because the detective was running late). A residence check was done a little over 7 weeks after the interview and I received a call saying I was approved two to three days after the residence check.

Also; prior to the residence check neither of my next door neighbors knew I was trying to obtain a CCW. Thanks to the Sheriff(s) they now both know.

[1stGenRex]

^agreed

The CA DOJ and FBI both submitted responses the same day as my livescan (which was done on the morning of my interview, actually prior to my interview because the detective was running late). A residence check was done a little over 7 weeks after the interview and I received a call saying I was approved two to three days after the residence check.

Also; prior to the residence check neither of my next door neighbors knew I was trying to obtain a CCW. Thanks to the Sheriff(s) they now both know.

Interesting, I went to the "CCW Town Hall" and they said the check would be discrete.

Well, the other day, my wife told me someone in uniform came and knocked on the door, making sure I lived there. Then asked what neighbor they could talk to.

So, did they tell your neighbor what the check was for? I know the DEFINITELY told my employer, and that was an interesting conversation / lecture.

[herdafer]

So, did they tell your neighbor what the check was for? I know the DEFINITELY told my employer, and that was an interesting conversation / lecture.

Both neighbors were told by the Sheriff that I had applied for a permit with the SBCSD. They didn't specifically tell them it was for a CCW permit but one neighbor directly asked the Deputy if it was for a CCW then how he could obtain a CCW.

The second neighbor called me right after and said they had stopped by and said I applied for a permit and asked what the neighbor thought of me personally and if he saw anything suspicious. He said he searched their website and the only permit he could find was for a CCW.

If they want to do a residence check then JUST verify the residence. It didn't sound to discrete to me.

[1stGenRex]

So many OTHER ways of answering this that are more discrete...

"He's applying for a volunteer position"

Or even "We're working on a background check"

Great, the only neighbors that were home are a nice older couple, I can't imagine what they were thinking it was all about.

[Nopal]

Both neighbors were told by the Sheriff that I had applied for a permit with the SBCSD. They didn't specifically tell them it was for a CCW permit but one neighbor directly asked the Deputy if it was for a CCW then how he could obtain a CCW.

The second neighbor called me right after and said they had stopped by and said I applied for a permit and asked what the neighbor thought of me personally and if he saw anything suspicious. He said he searched their website and the only permit he could find was for a CCW.

If they want to do a residence check then JUST verify the residence. It didn't sound to discrete to me.

That's just it: They don't just want to verify residency. They are not happy to just follow the law. They're, in their own mind "expanding" their background check into areas that frankly shouldn't be their business (informing neighbors, etc). They're also trying to fight some imaginary potential lawsuit by letting your employer know. In other words, rights like your privacy take a far second-seat to their paranoid CYA attitude in granting you the "privilege" of exercising your own natural, God-given, constitutionally-protected right.

Look, it's good that they issue permits, but it shouldn't be like this. This Sheriff either believes in the 2nd. amendment or he doesn't, which means he either issues AND has an efficient process that conforms to the minimums of the law, or he should just make room for someone who does instead of half-assing it. We don't require a background and neighbor check before we post here or use any other rights we naturally have, and though I understand that at a cursory criminal check should be performed because of the nature of a firearm, we are not slaves or born-criminals and shouldn't have to submit ourselves to a process so bloated and invasive that it amounts to groveling in exchange for a bit of our own freedom.

[jww]

I guess im not the norm here. My permit took just over a year and I was fine with it. I'm actually glad they dig a little deep and try weed out the idiots that shouldn't be carrying.

Go to most indoor ranges and you'll see people that shouldnt be shooting. They're dangerous to themselves and others. I'd rather not have them carrying.

[Nopal]

I guess im not the norm here. My permit took just over a year and I was fine with it. I'm actually glad they dig a little deep and try weed out the idiots that shouldn't be carrying.

Go to most indoor ranges and you'll see people that shouldnt be shooting. They're dangerous to themselves and others. I'd rather not have them carrying.

Who, if there is a clean criminal history, shouldn't be carrying? Please explain. Type slowly for some of us who may not be as "with-it" as you.

[jww]

Who, if there is a clean criminal history, shouldn't be carrying? Please explain. Type slowly for some of us who may not be as "with-it" as you.

Nice edit

I didn't say anything about criminal history. I'm talking about guys with zero common sense and hot heads. We all know people that fly off the handle for no apparent reason.

I'll even go a little further.... I think there should be more training. I've seen a few people at my classes with nearly zero handgun experience. It honestly scares me.

[bcsquare]

Both neighbors were told by the Sheriff that I had applied for a permit with the SBCSD. They didn't specifically tell them it was for a CCW permit but one neighbor directly asked the Deputy if it was for a CCW then how he could obtain a CCW.

The second neighbor called me right after and said they had stopped by and said I applied for a permit and asked what the neighbor thought of me personally and if he saw anything suspicious. He said he searched their website and the only permit he could find was for a CCW.

If they want to do a residence check then JUST verify the residence. It didn't sound to discrete to me.

They're not just checking if you live in the area. They are going to interview your neighbors for any red flags; domestic violence, disputes, suspicious activity, etc. Really character references. Some are better than others masking the intent.

I know this because I came home as a Deputy was doing the residence check. He actually came up to me since he saw me going into the house. None of my neighbors were home so he asked for two references and their contact info to validate. One works at a hospital and the other is a corrections officer. The two people I gave him followed up with me afterwards and told me the questions he asked.

Otherwise my employer knew because they got a letter requesting if they observed the same red flag behavior. I was given the letter when they mailed it to the building so I had to hand it to my HR rep.

[Nopal]

Nice edit

I didn't say anything about criminal history. I'm talking about guys with zero common sense and hot heads. We all know people that fly off the handle for no apparent reason.

Nice edit? I changed a misspelled word. You know, just trying to keep pup with someone as "with-it" as you.

But anyway. I don't know if you've been in this forum long enough to have known Highlander51. He made it a point of letting people know he had a permit from the SBSD and that he was awesome, but he could be so um, difficult, that he ended up getting banned from here.

For all their bloatware check, the Sheriff's office gave someone like him a permit and even though him and I didn't see eye-to-eye, I was OK with it because even people that you think are not your cup of tea have a right to self-defense and that is the bottom line. Period.

Believe me when I tell you that for all their checks and what-not the SBSD gives permits to the kind of people that you have shaken your head off at the range. I know of someone who voluntarily withdrew her application just before her range date because she still felt uncomfortable with carrying. The deputy thanked her, saying that there were too many people that in her view had no business carrying that got approved regularly. The point is that you can't prevent that. An 8-hour class with a very minimal live-fire test do little-to-nothing to weed out people with no common sense out of the process, and a snoop-a-thon with neighbors does even less, with the added problem of being potentially rife for abuse, to say nothing of putting opportunities at your work at risk if your boss is anti.

[Nopal]

They're not just checking if you live in the area. They are going to interview your neighbors for any red flags; domestic violence, disputes, suspicious activity, etc. Really character references. Some are better than others masking the intent.

I know this because I came home as a Deputy was doing the residence check. He actually came up to me since he saw me going into the house. None of my neighbors were home so he asked for two references and their contact info to validate. One works at a hospital and the other is a corrections officer. The two people I gave him followed up with me afterwards and told me the questions he asked.

Otherwise my employer knew because they got a letter requesting if they observed the same red flag behavior. I was given the letter when they mailed it to the building so I had to hand it to my HR rep.

Do they also check the neighbors for red-flags of a hostile neighbor who does not wish you well?

For DV, criminal activity, etc., there's a justice system. Sheriffs are part of it, are they not? They receive the calls generated by your neighbors if there is any suspicious activity, do they not? California is an at-will employment state where your employer can fire you if "red flags" become a problem, is it not?

Funny, you can't even take away children from a divorce parent on drugs unless there is concrete evidence, proven in court, and even then it's an uphill battle, but you can remove a fundamental right based on what the neighbor said event though there is no court trail or arrest record to justify it?

[jww]

I will agree with you on the employer notification. Fortunately my boss was fine with it but I can see the potential problems.

As far as the other stuff.... I guess it's good that we can all have our own opinions.

[bcsquare]

That is very true.

The range qual is only a check to see if you can operate a handgun. Not how good of a shot you are or if you fire under diress, etc.

The Deputy holding our class had mentioned that there are people applying and going to the CCW class not knowing how to change magazines and the likes. However, they are going to ask them to leave and not sign off based on that.

People need to take a good hard look at themselves before applying. Getting one because you can and because it makes you cool is not the right reason. Those of us who carry all understand that maybe one day, we'll have to use and suffer the repercussions.