Riverside

[lhecker51]

Wait....why did you call if you carry without a permit anyways? You've said in numerous threads that you carry w/o a permit because it's your right. What made you change your mind? And don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you've decided to be legal, but I wonder if something like what you said below came up in your phone call?

The reason is that I have a skittish wife that worries CADOJ will kick in our door. I know that is irrational, but I need to maintain harmony in the house.

Do they still require three references? Can I create a general statement of moral character and have three people sign each?

[NWE]

Scheduled my interview

Well I scheduled my initial interview, first ones late July. I've decided after tirelessly reading over everything on cal guns and CGF I'm simply going to submit the standard DOJ form and that's it. No letters of reference, no utility bills, no extra forms.. nothing. They'll get the DOJ application, 2 passport pictures, copy of the DL and a copy of the birth cert.
I'm going to bring a copy of the penal code with me and throw the book at them the whole interview if they give me a hard time.

When I called to get my date and time the officer jokingly stated that he was scared to come out of his house with all these crazy gun people wanting to carry guns. I said "its not the people who are asking for a permit that you should be worrying about". He acknowledged.. still there is always a little truth in humor.

Then I got to thinking.. Thin blue line.. ha.. guess your on their side or your just another nut job soon to probably be a criminal who wants to carry a gun..

And... let the opinions commence...

[Dtt255]

Nwe.... You have decided to make a statement vs realistically getting your permit. Good for you but you do realize you have no way in hell of getting your permit when you refuse to provide what they ask.

You might as well walk in and throw the 2nd amendment on their face and say "give me my permit!".

In my opinion people with your attitude are just like the open carry crowd because you want to make a statement. You really don't want your permit first, You want to make a statement and if they don't do what you want, well then, they are the people in the wrong.

Good luck... While you make your 'statement', I put on my IWB holster and walk out in confidence.

You need to ask yourself:

Do you really want your permit or want to make a statement?

[Dtt255]

Btw.... About the 'us vs them' statement... What brand of tin foil do you use for your hat? Lol

[NWE]

Your absolutely right its a statement. I want my permit and I want it bad... Though not bad enough to bow at the feet of the almighty sheriff and give him whatever he deems necessary at that moment in time.
The law states what he has the right to ask for so I intend to give him that.

Your compliance with his unlawful requests (assuming your in Riverside) is exactly why we have slid so far in California. We give and give thinking the other side is reasonable and they prove over and over again they're not.

Mike Corona back in the day had a pay to play system.. Guess you were ok with that as long as you had the money to get YOUR permit.. If that works for you then great, glad you can sleep at night.

OO and on the tin foil... Reynolds of course! Nothing but the best...

[Paladin]

Well I scheduled my initial interview, first ones late July. I've decided after tirelessly reading over everything on cal guns and CGF I'm simply going to submit the standard DOJ form and that's it. No letters of reference, no utility bills, no extra forms.. nothing. They'll get the DOJ application, 2 passport pictures, copy of the DL and a copy of the birth cert.
I'm going to bring a copy of the penal code with me and throw the book at them the whole interview if they give me a hard time.

Do that and they'll probably deny you on GMC....

When I called to get my date and time the officer jokingly stated that he was scared to come out of his house with all these crazy gun people wanting to carry guns. I said "its not the people who are asking for a permit that you should be worrying about". He acknowledged.. still there is always a little truth in humor.

You both need to read:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1046265

Your absolutely right its a statement. I want my permit and I want it bad... Though not bad enough to bow at the feet of the almighty sheriff and give him whatever he deems necessary at that moment in time.
The law states what he has the right to ask for so I intend to give him that.

Your compliance with his unlawful requests (assuming your in Riverside) is exactly why we have slid so far in California. [yada, yada, yada].

Get your CCW now so that you can defend you & yours while out in public (and maybe even intervene if you so choose for an unarmed innocent or LEO coming out on the short end of the stick) and let the NRA/SAF/CGF whoever and the federal courts clip the anti sheriffs' wings.

JMO

[Dtt255]

You want to blame someone like me for the reasons things have 'slid so far'. Go ahead.... What I know is this.

When both our cars break down on the side of the road... At night....and we are each alone..... Then that mysterious vehicle pulls over to 'help us' and 3 guys get out... With a tire iron or a baseball bat... Make sure that you tell them about your rights and how bad the establishment was and that you couldn't get your permit and that you should be pulling on them at the moment.

While slide my hand to my side and grip my Sig....


Good luck with that.

OH...make sure you have a copy of the 2nd amendment and the DOJ application to show them that you should have been allowed to have your ccw. Then give them sniff office number and see how that works.

[Sleighter]

Well I scheduled my initial interview, first ones late July. I've decided after tirelessly reading over everything on cal guns and CGF I'm simply going to submit the standard DOJ form and that's it. No letters of reference, no utility bills, no extra forms.. nothing. They'll get the DOJ application, 2 passport pictures, copy of the DL and a copy of the birth cert.

I'm going to bring a copy of the penal code with me and throw the book at them the whole interview if they give me a hard time.



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Ok. I respect you for being willing to stand by your principles and do what you feel is right, however I urge you to consider the endgame. Your plan doesn't have one except being denied as far as I can tell. However, I think you're justified in everything but 1 issue: the utility bills. The Sheriff has a legal obligation to only issue permits to residents of his(/her) county. The way they determine your residency is by verifying your utility bills.

If you provided the utilities, then only gave the DOJ app and other required docs then you actually stand a decent chance to be approved. Failing to provide documents that have a legal foundation is simply a waste of time.

[crash02]

When both our cars break down on the side of the road... At night....and we are each alone..... Then that mysterious vehicle pulls over to 'help us' and 3 guys get out... With a tire iron or a baseball bat... Make sure that you tell them about your rights and how bad the establishment was and that you couldn't get your permit and that you should be pulling on them at the moment.

While slide my hand to my side and grip my Sig....


Good luck with that.

So..? Maybe the tire iron is to help change your tire?
Or the baseball bat is because he is going to bounce check your other tires,or because even though they are offering to help you they feel the need to be "prepaired" incase you try to attack them? We can play scenarios, but as you should know just because they stopped to help you and brought out some "tools" doesn't prove intent to harm you.
maybe you should fire a warning shot in the air?

[VintageDUG]

Why are you even waiting until July? Nothing in federal law says anything about making an appointment. If you want to make a statement, walk in any time and drop off your application. Brief them on the 2nd Amendment and then wait for them to fetch your permit.

Most people, on the other hand, would rather be in a position to protect our loved ones and let the lawyers sort out the BS.

Knowledge of the 2nd Amendment isn't going to keep your wife or girlfriend from being raped in front of you. Or worse.

Good luck though. Be sure to report back how it goes.

Well I scheduled my initial interview, first ones late July. I've decided after tirelessly reading over everything on cal guns and CGF I'm simply going to submit the standard DOJ form and that's it. No letters of reference, no utility bills, no extra forms.. nothing. They'll get the DOJ application, 2 passport pictures, copy of the DL and a copy of the birth cert.
I'm going to bring a copy of the penal code with me and throw the book at them the whole interview if they give me a hard time.

When I called to get my date and time the officer jokingly stated that he was scared to come out of his house with all these crazy gun people wanting to carry guns. I said "its not the people who are asking for a permit that you should be worrying about". He acknowledged.. still there is always a little truth in humor.

Then I got to thinking.. Thin blue line.. ha.. guess your on their side or your just another nut job soon to probably be a criminal who wants to carry a gun..

And... let the opinions commence...

[Sleighter]

To anyone that's been following this thread and not the FixRiverside thread, appointments are now booked until August. And if you think August is bad, just wait until we find out that self-defense is accepted good cause, which is probably within a week or two from happening. Then people will be hearing things like what happened in Orange County with appointments over a year away.

So let me say it again to anyone following the thread and sitting on the fence: if you're even remotely interested in applying, APPLY NOW!!! You already have to wait 4 months for an appointment, don't wait any longer.

[Dtt255]

So..? Maybe the tire iron is to help change your tire?
Or the baseball bat is because he is going to bounce check your other tires,or because even though they are offering to help you they feel the need to be "prepaired" incase you try to attack them? We can play scenarios, but as you should know just because they stopped to help you and brought out some "tools" doesn't prove intent to harm you.
maybe you should fire a warning shot in the air?

Really? I am not even going to dignify it with an answer.

[crash02]

Really? I am not even going to dignify it with an answer.

Well that's no fun .
In all seriousness though, I understand your reasoning of the scenario and the frustration you have towards someone who is being passionate about the 2A and not willing to jump through any hoops to recieve a ccw.
"To Each There Own". Rubbing your ccw in someone's face is not generally productive,and seen negatively.
Congratulations on your permit, and being allowed to exercise your 2A Right outside of your home and business.
we are all on the same side for the RKBA,even though we do not always agree or get along.

[Dtt255]

Well that's no fun .
In all seriousness though, I understand your reasoning of the scenario and the frustration you have towards someone who is being passionate about the 2A and not willing to jump through any hoops to recieve a ccw.
"To Each There Own". Rubbing your ccw in someone's face is not generally productive,and seen negatively.
Congratulations on your permit, and being allowed to exercise your 2A Right outside of your home and business.
we are all on the same side for the RKBA,even though we do not always agree or get along.

You assume I have frustration toward someone who is passionate about the 2A? Gosh, you are really an assumptive idiot.

I have had my ccw for a very long time and I didn't start this conversation. He asked opinions and I gave mine. Tell me one single sentence where I 'rubbed it in someones face' in this conversation. Actually, do me a favor, look into my complete posting history and see if I have EVER 'rubbed' it in someones face.

You and he have a choice to make. Get your permit, then once your family and you are safe and protected, go ahead and then make your stand in court, public, or wherever. Write your letters, form your protests, go to the supreme court.

OR

Write your letters, Make sure the deputies at the CCW know that you are going to be a pain in the *** and demand things. (not going over the merits of the laws, just the realities) Then while you are protesting, making your stand, and complaining to everyone you don't have your permit...BUT you can sit back and know you that you 'right'.

I personally don't care what you do.

There is being 'right' and 'getting things done'. Alot of times it is the same thing, but sometimes you have to choose one first. Doesn't mean you can't have both, just sometimes you need to choose which one comes first.

Your choice...have fun.

[crash02]

You assume I have frustration toward someone who is passionate about the 2A? Gosh, you are really an assumptive idiot.

I have had my ccw for a very long time and I didn't start this conversation. He asked opinions and I gave mine. Tell me one single sentence where I 'rubbed it in someones face' in this conversation. Actually, do me a favor, look into my complete posting history and see if I have EVER 'rubbed' it in someones face.

You and he have a choice to make. Get your permit, then once your family and you are safe and protected, go ahead and then make your stand in court, public, or wherever. Write your letters, form your protests, go to the supreme court.

OR

Write your letters, Make sure the deputies at the CCW know that you are going to be a pain in the *** and demand things. (not going over the merits of the laws, just the realities) Then while you are protesting, making your stand, and complaining to everyone you don't have your permit...BUT you can sit back and know you that you 'right'.

I personally don't care what you do.

There is being 'right' and 'getting things done'. Alot of times it is the same thing, but sometimes you have to choose one first. Doesn't mean you can't have both, just sometimes you need to choose which one comes first.

Your choice...have fun.

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Oh that's for me!

Good luck... While you make your 'statement', I put on my IWB holster and walk out in confidence.

Well apparently, somebody pissed in your cheerios.
I can take the name calling, and after all, I did elicit a response from you. It is funny how responses are taken along with how quickly someone will respond back with name calling or ASSUMPTIONS and even anger. I'm not here to argue with you but go ahead ,let me "have it". I enjoy a good LOL.
as for my "frustration" statement it was in regards towards the fact that he was not going to turn in the "utility bills" needed for proof of residency,Although to buy a firearm in ca you still need 2 proofs of ID.
I'm sure he complied with that.