Los Angeles

[Paladin]

I emailed him and his team when he was running the response I got was essentially he would follow state laws on issueing not additional requirements like McDonnell.this is from the email, “ Sorry for the delay, here is my position. I will issue based on a showing of good cause, NOT an impossible standard as the one the incumbent is using. Occupation, business situation, victim of stalking, criminal threats, and related issues are examples where CCWs will be granted assuming all other legal requirements are met.

I should point out that while AV does say he'll issue in what we consider "light red" situations, he does NOT say he'll NOT issue for "yellow" situations. In the newspaper interview I quoted before on previous page of this thread, he only said he wouldn't give them out like Lindsey would ("dark green").

Villanueva says he would issue more concealed carry permits than McDonnell, "who is basically issuing none" (there are about 200 people in L.A. County with these permits), but fewer than Lindsey, "who wants to basically hand them out like candy."

To establish whether an applicant has "good cause" to be issued a concealed carry permit, Villanueva says he would consider whether there’s a "documentable" threat to the applicant’s safety, and whether the applicant lives or works in remote locations without immediate access to first responders.

From: https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/06/01...la-sheriff-ji/

Like I said before, if you can afford to waste the time and money of applying and you only have "yellow" Good Cause, if you really want a CA CCW, I'd go for it!

Although he also does NOT rule out "light green" situations, I highly doubt he'll liberalize that much, at least at first.

Light green would be where he'll issue for protection against risks that you voluntarily face (e.g., hiking, backpacking, motorcycling in wilderness, far away from rapid LE response, spotty cell coverage, etc.).

[Paladin]

Did anyone volunteer or work with Villanueva's campaign? If so, can you PM me. Yes, this is both urgent and important.

[socal m1 shooter]

Villanueva apparently has a record of playing the race card when promotional exams didn't go his way, which is hardly encouraging (he sued to get the rank of LT). Would he have won without democrat endorsement? Hard to say. His choice for undersheriff (a.k.a. Assistant Sheriff in charge of countywide operations) has some scratching their heads, but his pick for Assistant Sheriff over patrol is probably solid.

Will this yield a more reasonable CCW climate in LA County? If not, maybe a perfect plaintiff or two is waiting in the wings. Let's hope for the best.

[Cokebottle]

This what you're waiting for?
http://www.lasd.org/ccw_info.html

Ya... Better than it was, but not good for Joe Average. This really doesn't look like much of a change.

[concealcarrypizza]

Ya... Better than it was, but not good for Joe Average. This really doesn't look like much of a change.

Damn. Might never move back. But I'm gonna have to call the CCW office and complain.

Right now the CCW to Gang Member ratio of LA County is 1 to 625!!!!

[Yodaman]

Los Angeles

Damn. Might never move back. But I'm gonna have to call the CCW office and complain.



Right now the CCW to Gang Member ratio of LA County is 1 to 625!!!!

Haha yeah they will file the complaint away for sure.

[concealcarrypizza]

Haha yeah they will file the complaint away for sure.

There's 20,000 CCW's right next door in Orange County! Many of whom work in LA city like downtown. They can't ignore this trend forever without realizing how law abiding CCW's are.

[Paladin]

This what you're waiting for?
http://www.lasd.org/ccw_info.html

No. That page just has links to the substance. It's CCW Licensing Policy (dated 08/01/18 and on p. 2 misrepresents what the CA SC held in CBS v. Block) and LASD CCW Policy (containing GC info in middle of first page) linked documents that are holdovers from McDonnell's tenure.

If neither of those change, AV will use McDonnell's highly restrictive CCW policy, but at least he promised he'll issue consistent w/that policy.... ("light red" on the map)

I'm hoping for better ("yellow"). If the posted policy/CCW GC info doesn't change by July 01, I doubt it ever will....

[Cokebottle]

There's 20,000 CCW's right next door in Orange County! Many of whom work in LA city like downtown. They can't ignore this trend forever without realizing how law abiding CCW's are.

Sure they can.
"We have 125,000 gang members that will clog the system trying to get CCWs, and some of them will slip through the cracks and be issued permits"

[concealcarrypizza]

Sure they can.
"We have 125,000 gang members that will clog the system trying to get CCWs, and some of them will slip through the cracks and be issued permits"

Chicago has even more gangs, and when CCW became shall issue in Chicago, crime dropped dramatically.

Academic study that shows crime dropped in Chicago when CCW issuance

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2017.1400645

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/chicago-crime-drops-concealed-carry-surges/

More Guns, Less Crime: Since Illinois began issuing concealed-carry permits this year, robberies, burglaries, car thefts and, yes, even murder, are down significantly.

Last month, when an 86-year-old Crestwood, Ill., man decided to visit his local phone store, he arrived to find a robbery underway. After staying outside to keep others from entering the store, he saw the suspect fleeing through a back door. He pursued the suspect, legal firearm in hand, stopped him, then held him until police arrived to make the arrest.

The actions of the unidentified law-abiding citizen were made possible by Illinois becoming the 50th and final state to enact a concealed-carry law, legislation that, as it has done nationwide, coincides with a precipitous drop in the Chicago crime rate.

Chicago Police Superintendent Gerry McCarthy, at a recent city council hearing, reported the good news of less crime. He credited better police work, but there's another factor McCarthy left unstated — the increase in the number of pistol-packing permits that let citizens defend themselves, their families and their neighbors. The law has left criminals uncertain of who might be able to shoot back.

At this point, academic research disagrees with the "CCW is bad" argument, especially in cities with a lot of gangs like Chicago or LA.

Ignoring facts is what anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers do. I'm pretty sure LASD uses data science to fight crime. This is a natural step for community policing to share the burden.

[Yodaman]

Chicago has even more gangs, and when CCW became shall issue in Chicago, crime dropped dramatically.

Academic study that shows crime dropped in Chicago when CCW issuance

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2017.1400645

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/chicago-crime-drops-concealed-carry-surges/

At this point, academic research disagrees with the "CCW is bad" argument, especially in cities with a lot of gangs like Chicago or LA.

Ignoring facts is what anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers do. I'm pretty sure LASD uses data science to fight crime. This is a natural step for community policing to share the burden.

[concealcarrypizza]

To them, those are “your facts.” They have theirs.

Just like the climate change “facts.”


You trying to argue against a liberal anti CCW machine in CA. Your facts don’t makes sense to them.

Move to a CCW friendly county. Easy peasy

The data overwhelmingly says CCW holders have a crime rate that is 30-100x LOWER than the general popuation. Texas and North Carolina PUBLISH their crime rates of CCW vs non-CCW holders. CCW holders are the safest population of people around.

A LIBERAL ELITES WORST FEAR is to be grouped with climate change deniers and anti-vaxxers. And to be labeled a DATA SCIENCE DENIER.

They will turn into dust like a Vampire that sees sunlight. Guaranteed.

[Cokebottle]

Ignoring facts is what anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers do.

It's also what liberals do. Countless studies over the last 50 years have shown without valid argument that gun laws do nothing to reduce crime.

I'm pretty sure LASD uses data science to fight crime. This is a natural step for community policing to share the burden.

You are confusing fighting crime with politically motivated policies and decisions.

[concealcarrypizza]

It's also what liberals do. Countless studies over the last 50 years have shown without valid argument that gun laws do nothing to reduce crime. You are confusing fighting crime with politically motivated policies and decisions.

Those studies never make it into the mainstream press.

LA is full of communities that don't make the mainstream press. It's nothing new for an Angelino to go against the mainstream.

Lindsey supporters put Villanueva into office. He knows that. Villanueva owes Lindsey supporters some of his time.

[Cokebottle]

It's nothing new for an Angelino to go against the mainstream.

Especially for an Angelino in Texas