Los Angeles

[ElectroHouseR]

What does low income have anything to do with it? If you can't shoot straight, then how are you gonna protect yourself with a gun? Sure, let's mow down the bystanders. lol. Sorry but that's just bat**** crazy. And they should shoot at the range at least once a month and that ain't cheap.

[ElectroHouseR]

Nah, I think just the criminals with illegal guns should be allowed to carry without a license. We wouldn't want those hot heads who legally purchased a gun and went through the CA DOJ 10 day background check to carry, that's just crazy

The average Joe should learn how to use the gun before carrying it. And criminals will always be criminals.

[krow4ever]

i hope so. i wonder after it clears how long will it take till i hear back from the ccw unit. i already did my firearms training .

Email or phone call to proceed w/ training occurs between 2 months to 3.5 months after firearms clears. After you submit your proof of training, about another 4 weeks before the call to pick-up your permit.

[Mrcaddy]

Email or phone call to proceed w/ training occurs between 2 months to 3.5 months after firearms clears. After you submit your proof of training, about another 4 weeks before the call to pick-up your permit.

i applied back in June of 2021,. Seems like its going to take over 13 months or so.

[Mute]

"either OC or CC does not require a permit at all". That's honestly not really a good idea, especially open carrying in SoCal. Look at all the follow home robberies and the robberies during broad daylight. They'll just sneak in from the back, hit you in the head and take your gun. And I wouldn't want every freak to conceal carry either. It's not gonna be pretty when some nutcase with a OC or CC gets into a road rage. Way too many hotheads out there. They should at the least go through a background check and training of some degree. A permit should definitely be required but it should be approved/issued as long as everything clears out and training is completed. You really think the average Joe who has never shot a gun should be allowed to carry? lol

Close to half the country is "Constitutional" carry now. All the things you fear about the average joe carrying guns in public has not happened. If and when it does happen, it's so rare that you could consider it a statistical anomaly. In most situation where an intended victim draws a gun, the predator usually takes off. While I most certainly believe anyone who plans on carrying a gun for personal protection should get quality training (and would be wise to do so), I don't believe that it should be a prerequisite for being able to carry a gun because the statistics have shown the benefits of just having a gun regardless of the level of training of the gun owner.

[vanidoso87]

What does low income have anything to do with it? If you can't shoot straight, then how are you gonna protect yourself with a gun? Sure, let's mow down the bystanders. lol. Sorry but that's just bat**** crazy. And they should shoot at the range at least once a month and that ain't cheap.

Low income has a lot to do with it brother. We are not talking about a privilege here. We are are talking about a fundamental right that is being burdened by all these restrictions. Someone on the low end of the financial spectrum will find it extremely difficult to attend classes and training. Does this mean they are not entitled to carry a gun for self defense because they opt to put rent and food first rather than training? Criminals by definition are criminals. Do you think all of them have a legal gun? went to training? waited 10 days? DROSED their firearm? The most proficient man on the range can accidentally hit bystanders when it comes to using their firearm in a real life and death situation? Can you tell me without a shadow of a doubt that you will 100% hit where you aim in a self defense event because you have a ccw, took a course as opposed to someone in a constitutional carry state?

[Calbix]

Update from AV Instagram live as of today, 3/16:

2447 issued
369 pending issuance
9519 total applications

The pending number dropped quite a bit since last update, but only 80 or so were issued so it doesn't quite match up.

[LrdVaderZ]

Update from AV Instagram live as of today, 3/16:

2447 issued
369 pending issuance
9519 total applications

The pending number dropped quite a bit since last update, but only 80 or so were issued so it doesn't quite match up.

It would match if we assume that rest went to an all expense trip to an Egyptian river

[Mute]

Update from AV Instagram live as of today, 3/16:

2447 issued
369 pending issuance
9519 total applications

The pending number dropped quite a bit since last update, but only 80 or so were issued so it doesn't quite match up.

I'm guessing the discrepancy is from those who've been denied. They were not issued but also not pending.

[MajorCaliber]

"either OC or CC does not require a permit at all". That's honestly not really a good idea, especially open carrying in SoCal. Look at all the follow home robberies and the robberies during broad daylight. They'll just sneak in from the back, hit you in the head and take your gun. And I wouldn't want every freak to conceal carry either. It's not gonna be pretty when some nutcase with a OC or CC gets into a road rage. Way too many hotheads out there. They should at the least go through a background check and training of some degree. A permit should definitely be required but it should be approved/issued as long as everything clears out and training is completed. You really think the average Joe who has never shot a gun should be allowed to carry? lol

I wish I had had the time to respond to this earlier. Let me make two points.

1. The point of my post was to express the opinion that as long as some form of permit is still required. CA and some local authorities will find an endless number of ways to deny, delay, discourage our rights. It is a terrible idea to discuss it openly here, but I'll bet I could sit at my keyboard and type out at least a dozen without even pausing to think.

2. No offense is intended here, but there is no need to speculate in a vacuum about what will happen if all of a sudden the permit requirement is dropped as if "your guess is as good as mine". When we have a metric crap-ton of actual evidence to look at. It's like two people sitting in a darkened room each presenting their argument about if it is raining outside--useless if we can just open the drapes and look out the window. Almost half the states are now permitless carry for one form or another. We know exactly what happens and it's none of the "blood in the streets" things you predict. There is no state where this transition has caused problems which is why there is a massive wave going on of states turning to Constitutional Carry. Not a single state that has made that transition that has gone back. Look next door to Nevada. A number of years ago they went to Shall issue for CCW and permitless for OC. I live part time in Vegas, have a permit there, watch the local news, and other than, as somebody pointed out, the extremely rare incident that is so rare it is just a statistical anomaly, it just does not happen. I even spoke to the head of the head of the LV police gun unit once and he confirmed it. In addition, Nevada also went from a situation where you if you qualified with a revolver, you could carry any revolver and if you qualified with an auto you could carry any auto, or you could qualify with both if you wanted to carry both. They dropped even that meaningless requirement and now you can qualify with any handgun, you can carry any handgun, without having to worry about serial numbers, configurations, etc. It turns out that if you can shoot, you can shoot, and the distinction between revolver vs automatic or between one model or caliber and another is completely meaningless. I further asked him if he had ever seen a single crime that could have been prevented or solved if the permit had been restricted to a specific firearm type or contained serial numbers and he said "Not one, ever." He just shook his head at the ridiculousness of California's requirement to qualify and list by S/N. I deal with bureaucracies and streamlining their processes and procedures for a living. I can assure you that almost all, especially governmental agencies, are filled with rules, requirements, and procedures that the participants are convinced are absolutely necessary and without which, all manner of terrible things will happen. Without exception, when these unnecessary elements are dropped, the predicted chaos simply does not occur. I can even provide specific examples if you want.

[LARES]

[Paul49]

After the Civil War the Southern Democrats began gun rights restrictions to prevent the freed slaves from owning guns. Gun control was racist front the beginning and continues to be so today. All the fees involved are the equivalent of a poll tax.

[Paul49]

wrote:
I can assure you that almost all, especially governmental agencies, are filled with rules, requirements, and procedures that the participants are convinced are absolutely necessary and without which, all manner of terrible things will happen.

If we got rid of those bureaucracies and their rules, requirements and procedures the worst that would happen is the need for the bureaucracy would dry up and a large number of bureaucrats would be out looking for real work!!

[LARES]

[MajorCaliber]

If we got rid of those bureaucracies and their rules, requirements and procedures the worst that would happen is the need for the bureaucracy would dry up and a large number of bureaucrats would be out looking for real work!!

I agree completely, but there is just no possibility of that happening in CA. In the private sector, yes, there are bureaucratic inefficiencies, but there is a natural limit to just how much bureaucratic inefficiency can exist because at some point a more efficient competitor will come along and eat your lunch. No such limit exists in the public sector because they have a monopoly and can be as inefficient as they want. It's not like the DMV has to worry about being put out of business by low cost driver's licensees imported from China.