San Diego CCW

[marcusrn]

One week after NYSRPA, this clearly is a move to abrogate your God given right to self protection.

[eho0925]

This will not survive under the Bruen decision.

[9Cal_OC]

Thought I’d cross-post SB918 below. If and when you do get issued, see changes to CCW application process for all counties and restricted areas. This just passed committee and will need to be voted on.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB918

26230. (a) A person granted a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person pursuant to Section 26150, 26155, or 26170 shall not carry a firearm on or into any of the following:
(1) A place prohibited by Section 626.9.
(2) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a preschool or childcare facility, including a room or portion of a building under the control of a preschool or childcare facility. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent the operator of a childcare facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm in the home if no child under child care at the home is present in the home or the firearm in the home is unloaded, stored in a locked container, and stored separately from ammunition when a child under child care at the home is present in the home so long as the childcare provider notifies clients that there is a firearm in the home.
(3) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of the state government.
(4) A building designated for a court proceeding, including matters before a superior court, district court of appeal, or the California Supreme Court, parking area under the control of the owner or operator of that building, or a building or portion of a building under the control of the Supreme Court.
(5) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local government, unless the firearm is being carried for purposes of training pursuant to Section 26165.
(6) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of an adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison, or jail.
(7) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private hospital or hospital affiliate, mental health facility, nursing home, medical office, urgent care facility, or other place at which medical services are customarily provided.
(8) A bus, train, or other form of transportation paid for in whole or in part with public funds, and a building, real property, or parking area under the control of a transportation authority supported in whole or in part with public funds.
(9) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a vendor or an establishment where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises.
(10) A public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from a federal, state, or local government and sidewalk or street immediately adjacent to the public gathering or special event but is not more than 1,000 feet from the event or gathering, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
(11) A playground or public or private youth center, as defined in Section 626.95, and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to the playground or youth center.
(12) A park, athletic area, or athletic facility that is open to the public and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to those areas, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through such a place in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
(13) Real property under the control of the Department of Parks and Recreation or Department of Fish and Wildlife, except those areas designated for hunting pursuant to Section 5003.1 of the Public Resources Code, Section 4501 of Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations, or any other designated public hunting area, public shooting ground, or building where firearm possession is permitted by applicable law.
(14) Any area under the control of a public or private community college, college, or university, including, but not limited to, buildings, classrooms, laboratories, medical clinics, hospitals, artistic venues, athletic fields or venues, entertainment venues, officially recognized university-related organization properties, whether owned or leased, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks, and common areas.
(15) A building, real property, or parking area that is or would be used for gambling or gaming of any kind whatsoever, including, but not limited to, casinos, gambling establishments, gaming clubs, bingo operations, facilities licensed by the California Horse Racing Board, or a facility wherein banked or percentage games, any form of gambling device, or lotteries, other than the California State Lottery, are or will be played.
(16) A stadium, arena, or the real property or parking area under the control of a stadium, arena, or a collegiate or professional sporting or eSporting event.
(17) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a public library.
(18) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an airport or passenger vessel terminal, as those terms are defined in subdivision (a) of Section 171.5.
(19) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an amusement park.
(20) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a zoo or museum.
(21) A street, driveway, parking area, property, building, or facility, owned, leased, controlled, or used by a nuclear energy, storage, weapons, or development site or facility regulated by the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
(22) A church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, including in any parking area immediately adjacent thereto, unless the operator of the place of worship clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
(23) A financial institution or parking area under the control of a financial institution.
(24) A police, sheriff, or highway patrol station or parking area under control of a law enforcement agency.
(25) A polling place, voting center, precinct, or other area or location where votes are being cast or cast ballots are being returned or counted, or the streets or sidewalks immediately adjacent to any of these places.
(26) Any other privately-owned commercial establishment that is open to the public, unless the operator of the establishment clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
(27) Any other place or area prohibited by other provisions of state law.
(28) An area where firearms are prohibited under federal law.

Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:

Notwithstanding subdivision (a), except under paragraph (21) or (28) of subdivision (a), a licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subdivision (a) shall be allowed to:
(1) Transport a concealed firearm or ammunition within a vehicle into or out of the parking area so long as the firearm is locked in a lock box.
(2) Store ammunition or a firearm within a locked lock box and out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area.
(3) Transport a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding their vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within a locked lock box in the vehicle’s trunk or other place inside the vehicle that is out of plain view.

[Someday]

So given that, when should one schedule the CCW refresher course?

The web site says it has to be within 90 days of renewal, and you can't apply for renewal until 45 days prior to expiration. But if all the NEW applications gum up the system, the renewal might take more than 45 days. So, it would seem one would want the refresher course at something like 46 days prior to expiration to give it the longest life. Just in case...

Thoughts?

I just renewed in February. My course we just shy of 90 days out from my renewal. You just need to hold on to the certificate until 45 days before renewal. I would suggest doing it between 90-45 days so that you're ready to submit on day 45.

[marcusrn]

None of these delays are permissible. Bruen actually states that the 2A is not a second class right, and there is plenty of law that says a delay of more than a day or two for the 1A is effectively a denial of the right. Therefore delays beyond a couple of days is likely unconstitutional, as LiveScan takes no more than a day or two. Similarly what is the point of the interview at this time if we are all "shall issue" as the case holds? My office is planning to challenge these rules (among many others).

Go get em Gator!!! Very important in dealing with them that you email with the manager of Dept or registered snail mail, so you have documentation. They have cameras and voice recorders but they'll not give you access. You say, "for my safety and legal rights". The Licencing arm of SDC Sheriffs has not been a friend to the people the last 40 yrs. You have a right to treat them with caution. Be polite but don't take shaet. The reason Heller vs WDC is not called Shelly Parker vs WDC is because black nurse Parker did not fill out a form in writing. Hold them to the law Gatorman!!!

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

You're right, there's a day available in March.

[NoNOS67]

Idk but I just looked at available dates for reschedule and there is none available for 5+yrs........could be a glitch too.

I see appointments available as early as March of next year.

[Gator15]

None of these delays are permissible. Bruen actually states that the 2A is not a second class right, and there is plenty of law that says a delay of more than a day or two for the 1A is effectively a denial of the right. Therefore delays beyond a couple of days is likely unconstitutional, as LiveScan takes no more than a day or two. Similarly what is the point of the interview at this time if we are all "shall issue" as the case holds? My office is planning to challenge these rules (among many others).

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

Idk but I just looked at available dates for reschedule and there is none available for 5+yrs........could be a glitch too.

[L84CABO]

You're not wrong, but those counties were set up and staffed to run that way. San Diego has been set up and staffed to run a significantly smaller amount of permit applications (and yes, even then they take too long). It will take time, and maybe even more legal prodding, to get them to re-figure their process and personnel to handle a larger volume.

If that's accurate, that's a strange decision on the part of the Sheriff's office given San Diego County has 3.4 Million residents. It's a large county and the potential is certainly there.

Is there any data on how many applications are currently in process and how many new and renewal applications they get each month?

[sbo80]

There are sheriff's in California issuing with the following four criteria...
Interviews are unnecessary.

You're not wrong, but those counties were set up and staffed to run that way. San Diego has been set up and staffed to run a significantly smaller amount of permit applications (and yes, even then they take too long). It will take time, and maybe even more legal prodding, to get them to re-figure their process and personnel to handle a larger volume.

[baggss]

Actually, DOJ has only authorized the paper copy; regardless of what certain IA's do or say. I carry both, though I don't know why...

So one of the folks from my IAs CCW unit is in our fb group. She's great for asking questions and getting answers quickly, she's very helpful.

I asked about the hard card vs paper copy. They recommend only the card when in county, but both when traveling out of the county. She said they sent examples of their cards to the DoJ several years ago when PC 26175 went into effect. Seems every agency in the state that issues did so. The DoJ has responded to none of them to date and is in general ignoring the requirements of PC 26175.

[Rho147]

Thank you!

[MrFixIt74]

The good cause section of SDCGO's ccw help now says put N/A

https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/

[Rho147]

So I want to submit my application but just wanted to get an opinion on the "Good cause exists for issuance of the license". Should I just list state self defense per the Supreme Court ruling? I haven't seen any updates since the 23rd.