Resolved.

[AK all day]

Spoke to the owner of the store, and all was understood and worked out.


Thank you for the responses on this thread, respectful or not.

I will likely be a future customer of Riflegear at some point.

[Moemoe1]

Were you buying it for yourself or your mother? Idk man I would suspect a straw purchase too, you can never be too careful. Sorry about your bad experience with them

[coma13]

This sounds very familiar...

[BONECUTTER]

I wasn't there when it happened but if I understand the circumstances correct:
You wanted the AK pistol.
Your mom wanted to do the paperwork.
She could not even legally gift it to you because you are under 18.

[AK all day]

I wasn't there when it happened but if I understand the circumstances correct:
You wanted the AK pistol.
Your mom wanted to do the paperwork.
She could not even legally gift it to you because you are under 18.

We buy guns as a family. "Our" guns are all of ours and we all enjoy target shooting. We both went into the store, and looked at the gun, and said we would take it. The impression that the salesman was getting was that I was having my mother buy it for me to give it to. We live under the same roof, and we, as a family enjoy purchasing guns. My father is in law enforcement, I am involved in law enforcement, and we have purchased MANY guns in the same exact way.

However, Like I said before I understand the flip side of the situation, however I felt that it was the improper way to handle the situation given the circumstances. We are not criminals.

You are correct about my age, my mother would of course do the paperwork for a gun she is buying, and the handgun would of course not be gifted to me (impossible unless 18) being that she is buying it for the use of our family, and retaining it as her gun.

Is it possible that once 18 years old, this gun might end up being mine? Maybe, but I can't speculate how she will handle her property after I move on in my life on my own.

[BONECUTTER]

I don't have an FFL but if I did I would not risk my license to make one sale. Would you?

You have said we and our and us multiple times. When buying a firearm the form says "you".

When a dealer has to say no what is the proper way to do it?

[SkyStorm82]

My father is in law enforcement, I am in law enforcement, and we have purchased MANY guns in the same exact way.

How are you in law enforcement?

[AK all day]

I can understand exactly what you are saying.

When owning an FFL, I understand the need to be careful. Basically the big picture is that I am saying that the store (in my opinion) handled this particular situation improperly.

"We" and "our" is used in a sense of my family and our hobby we enjoy together, not the person filling out paperwork. Sometimes my father does, sometimes my mother does. But a sale being declined just based on the sole fact that I was there with her when she went to buy the gun is also pretty degrading to myself, as I was personally being considered some kind of criminal by the store which them resulted in my mother being turned down to purchase a firearm.

The salesman said "had your mom come in here and said I am buying this gun for my son, that would have been fine". But apparently us going in there and looking at it together makes them unable to sell us the gun because "she might be buying it for you", which I would like point out makes no sense. We live in the same house, and shoot the same guns.

[AK all day]

How are you in law enforcement?

I am a member of the San Bernardino county sheriff department explorer scouts. I am not a peace officer, but I went through an academy and background check all the same.

[BONECUTTER]

One of the many straw purchase definitions is buying a firearm for someone who can't. If an FFL feels that they have to cancel the sale.

FFL's don't sell firearms to groups. Just individuals. You are even hinting that she plans to give it to you after you are 18.

I have a feeling when your mom or dad goes to pick up the transfer from Atlantic the same thing will happen if the FFL handling the paperwork asked any questions.

[teg33]

OP please don't tell lie, if you're under 18 years, how is it possible that you're a LEO? Majority persons under 18 yrs are still in high school

[junior40er]

you are not law enforcement.

[AK all day]

OP please don't tell lie, if you're under 18 years, how is it possible that you're a LEO? Majority persons under 18 yrs are still in high school

As I stated above, I am not a peace officer. I am member of the San Bernardino county sheriffs department explorer scouts. I passed a background to get my county ID card, and completed an academy. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[AK all day]

One of the many straw purchase definitions is buying a firearm for someone who can't. If an FFL feels that they have to cancel the sale.

FFL's don't sell firearms to groups. Just individuals. You are even hinting that she plans to give it to you after you are 18.

I have a feeling when your mom or dad goes to pick up the transfer from Atlantic the same thing will happen if the FFL handling the paperwork asked any questions.

I am aware of that. The employee even stated that if she had told him it was for me, that would have been okay, that is what I am saying makes no sense. I simply don't know if she'll give it to me when I'm 18, it's hers. I sure hope she does, but it's not my gun.

She has bought many guns in this EXACT way, from many different FFLs.

Thank you for your response.

[email]

If you're not even 18, you can't even buy a gun.

Straw purchase...and you're admitting it here. Why u mad, bro?