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[teg33]

As I stated above, I am not a peace officer. I am member of the San Bernardino county sheriffs department explorer scouts. I passed a background to get my county ID card, and completed an academy. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Dude, you are just explorer scout. It's nothing more than security guard, you can not enforce the law as LEO.

[teg33]

Next time don't go with your parents to gun shop. Just tell them what you want and let them buy it without you around to avoid similar situation.

[email]

Do you have a 22 cal pellet gun for sale? Maybe?? ;-)

[geedavell]

If both your mom and dad are in law enforcement, they should know the rules and regulations about buying weapons.
I'm not suggesting you break the law at all, but at least have your story straight before you go into the store.

[AK all day]

Do you have a 22 cal pellet gun for sale? Maybe?? ;-)

Stuck on that huh. Haha

[AK all day]

Thank you for the responses.

Again, I understand why this happened, but am nevertheless upset. More so because my mother was offended.

I suppose as others said, if she's buying a gun, I guess I can't be with her at riflegear.

[email]

Stuck on that huh. Haha

Sorry, officer. I didn't mean to imply anything.

[bob7122]

the trolling potential here is too good. Happy hunting boys!

[CSACANNONEER]

Guys, he is "in law enforcement". He is not a LEO nor does he profess to be. There are a lot of non peace officer jobs in the law enforcement field.

That said, without being there, it's hard to say exactly why RG decided not to sell to your mom. Personally, I'd rather see parents buying firearms for their little children to shoot. So, RG seems not to be promoting allowing their next generation of customers to get into shooting with their families. That's not great for the shooting comunity. However, like I said, I wasn't their and don't know exactly what you said to trigger the "possible straw purchase" thing. Sometimes it is better for little kids to be seen and not heard. Did you inspect the firearms? Did you comment on it? If so, I'm going to guess that it was your actions that led to the termination of the sale. Yea, it was probably YOUR FAULT!

[BulletMagnet]

I could swear I heard this same.story twice before. One was about a scar and.the other a shotgun. Almost the same exact wording.

[BONECUTTER]

The last guy who said they denied his mom on a 590 purchase that had the week before posted that he wanted to buy one here.

Now your username has AK in it. The firearm in question is an AK pistol. And you post a few days ago that you want to buy or trade for an AK pistol. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=915411

Not trying to be harsh or start a witch hunt here but Im guessing you are mad cause you were caught and wasted your moms time.

[Heythatsneat]

the outcome will be interesting on this case....

[AK all day]

The last guy who said they denied his mom on a 590 purchase that had the week before posted that he wanted to buy one here.

Now your username has AK in it. The firearm in question is an AK pistol. And you post a few days ago that you want to buy or trade for an AK pistol. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=915411

Not trying to be harsh or start a witch hunt here but Im guessing you are mad cause you were caught and wasted your moms time.

My mother is not computer savvy, nor does she want to talk to a bunch of guys on a forum. I post threads, and I go with her to the deals set up on here.

I was not "caught" I don't think you understand that I am not trying to do anything shady... We are a gun owning family, and she attempted to purchase a gun, and they denied her due to my interest in what will become a gun we all shoot as a family.

However, again, I understand WHY they denied the sale, but I don't think it was handled properly one bit.

If we haven't made a 1.5 hour drive, maybe we would not be so upset.

[SCUDhunter]

So I happen to work for an FFL who will remain unnamed (not gonna rock the boat more than need be). I have an ATF form 4473 in front of me and I'm just going to write verbatim what it says on here....:

Question 11a. Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer or transferee if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you. (See instructions for Question 11.a.) Exception: If you are picking up repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.

So that's exactly what 11a. on the form your mother was going to fill out says, right on the front. On the inside of the 4473 it has the instructions regarding how to approach and handle 11a. again here it is verbatim:

Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For the purposes of this form, you are the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for yourself (e.g. redeeming the firearm from pawn/retrieving it from consignment, firearm raffle winner) You are also the actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately purchasing the firearm as a gift for a third party. ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer "NO" to question 11.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should check "YES" to question 11.a. However you may not transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 922(g), (n), or (x). Please note: EXCEPTION: If you are picking up repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a. and may proceed to answer question 11.b.

So right there the only exception to this rule that the ATF listed is picking up repaired firearms for another person. I'm probably guessing that because you aren't 18 and you picked out the firearm for your mother to do paperwork on for you, because you're not legally allowed to do so on your own, and not her picking it out for you for a gift (which you are again, incapable of receiving because you're not 18). Riflegear runs a top notch million dollar operation over there, and probably aren't willing to risk their many licenses and permits they have over the obvious straw purchase you were trying to complete in their store. That is their punishment from the ATF by the way if they get caught doing that, SHUT DOWN, not a slap on the wrist but SHUT DOWN. I think you're failing to understand the the owners and employees are not going to risk their livelihood so you can have your mom straw purchase you a PAP pistol. I'm even going to go ahead and guess that the reason that the salesman at Riflegear denied your sale was blatantly obvious like the gentleman handed your mother the pistol and she probably handed off to you, or asked if you really wanted it because it's ugly or something. (AK's after all are ugly, but awesome) it's really funny lately how many people try to do a straw purchase (which is a federal FELONY, punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison by the way) at Riflegear and then go on the internet and cry about it. This probably wasn't a problem for you in the past because the FFL's in your area may not know or care about straw purchasing, not many dealers in CA do the volume that Riflegear does so they need every sale they can get. I've seen very fishy things go on in other FFL's in Southern California (again who will remain nameless because I'm not on here to bash anyone). I hope my post gives you some insight as to why Riflegear denied your sale.

[Ulis_m86]

Maybe they were afraid you would arrest them for a straw purchase since your in law enforcement and all