PINK IS FOR NAIL POLISH!!

[Off the Roster]

The twists and turns of this thread have been many and i have learned quite a lot, on many fronts. There was a rough patch but on page 2 but i thought we had finally smoothed out to discuss concept and not personal affront. There is a term that i had never heard prior to moving to cali and wow does it exist here: butt-hurt. How about pondering concepts on how they affect the community. The real community. Not just the gun world, not just yourself, not just your wife, or your kids, or your gun safe - but society. Doing so might just make the gun community be seen more favorably.

[movie zombie]

yep, pink was a "boy" color up until 1940.....and boys wore [gasp] dresses! and had long hair! oh, my! I look at some of those older pictures and given the cherubic faces I can't tell the boys from the girls.

I hear you re OT, kali.

[movie zombie]

...... How about pondering concepts on how they affect the community. The real community. Not just the gun world, not just yourself, not just your wife, or your kids, or your gun safe - but society. Doing so might just make the gun community be seen more favorably.

I agree with you, Chick, but welcome to the real world of calguns........

[mievil]

How about pondering concepts on how they affect the community. The real community. Not just the gun world, not just yourself, not just your wife, or your kids, or your gun safe - but society. Doing so might just make the gun community be seen more favorably.

I'm not sure I see how owning a pink firearm affects the real community. The "real community" doesn't see my firearms. The gun community does.

The communities children don't see my pink toys, my children do. And if my child tells their friends about my pink toys, they won't be able to see them because they are locked up.

The communities wives don't see my pink firearms, my wife does. While she is being trained how to use them to defend herself and her family if necessary.

The people outside the gun community will see an AR as an assault rifle, regardless of the color it is. They will see an assault rifle as it has been deemed for years by the media. They care when Obama steps on stage saying gun violence needs to be remedied because too many people have access to 30 round mags. They won't care that they see a pink box of breast cancer awareness shotgun shells instead of a red box. They wonder why there is a line of people hording ammo every time they walk by the sporting department at Walmart. These are the things influencing the people outside the gun community and biasing their view of gun owners. Not my pink stock and grip.

[mievil]

I'd also add that people walking around with their "zombie hunter" t shirts, and "zombie response vehicle" and shooting their zombie targets at the range are probably more of an aid towards a negative perception of gun owners than a pink stock or grip or any other pink firearm accessory.

[movie zombie]

in our usual female way we've moved on a bit from "pink" and are discussing the "education" of a new female calgunner about the calgun community at large via this thread.

and i'm pretty sure the comments were not directed at you, mievil. you've made a decision that pink is appropriate for you and you've taught and reinforced with your daughter that guns are "no touch". no one has a problem with your going pink........

you have your opinion. some of us disagree. perhaps we can agree to disagree............

[Zedrek]

Wow, I'm all confused now.

[Off the Roster]

The "real community" doesn't see my firearms.

Precisely my point - pull the "your" out of it - firearms don't just exist in "your" 2300 sq ft of real estate. The community does not have to be in "your" house to see firearms. In case "you" are unaware, TV, movies, the internet, newspapers, music videos, video games, and more are all available to the public. Society does not see you in your livingroom, and at the range, gun store, or hunting you are seen by other gun folk. I have endeavored to be respectful in my tone and choice of words to the majority of these posts. Many of you, and read this one as you personally, fail to resemble that remark. How are you representing gun ownership to society? There obviously has to be a problem somewhere or else gun control bills would not have gotten this far.

As gun parents i really do not care about pink guns in "your" house if that is what you have deemed to be best for you. I care about the random kid accidentally coming across a colorful gun (NO NOT IN "YOUR" HOUSE), not knowing guns now come in these colors in order to "entice" adult female shooters, and thinking it is a toy.

[LittleOldLady]

Precisely my point - pull the "your" out of it - firearms don't just exist in "your" 2300 sq ft of real estate. The community does not have to be in "your" house to see firearms. In case "you" are unaware, TV, movies, the internet, newspapers, music videos, video games, and more are all available to the public. Society does not see you in your livingroom, and at the range, gun store, or hunting you are seen by other gun folk. I have endeavored to be respectful in my tone and choice of words to the majority of these posts. Many of you, and read this one as you personally, fail to resemble that remark. How are you representing gun ownership to society? There obviously has to be a problem somewhere or else gun control bills would not have gotten this far.

As gun parents i really do not care about pink guns in "your" house if that is what you have deemed to be best for you. I care about the random kid accidentally coming across a colorful gun (NO NOT IN "YOUR" HOUSE), not knowing guns now come in these colors in order to "entice" adult female shooters, and thinking it is a toy.

I made this exact point in some other random 'Pink' thread. While I would not own something painted a toy color and while I personally think it is debasing.

I hope it entices other women to the sport.

On the other hand, how many accidents have happened by those children who think a 'normal' colored firearm is a toy because some parent/guardian has not properly trained a child that a firearm is NOT a toy and there is consequences involved.
Back when I was growing up there was several accidents that happened with that exact scenario where I lived.

Just saying, 'NO', to a child will make the kid want to handle said firearm more than ever. One has to take the kid out shooting so they can see for themselves that these are not toys. They are loud and have a recoil that would knock a kid into next week. At least that is what my Dad had. So if it was colored lets say pink for arguments sake and the child heard a very loud noise and saw the milk jug explode in a shower of water. There would be a lesson there that it is not a toy.


One could argue on and on on which child is responsible enough at what age to initiate the child should actually start shooting.

I cannot remember when I started shooting. My Father was a Korean War Vet and we had firearms everywhere, House/car/pickup/horse.

I owned my first rifle when I was under ten with a shotgun somewhere in there too and my first pistol at sixteen, the rifle in my closet and loaded and the handgun in my nightstand again loaded.
But no different than my parents.

When my friends visited I put them in a 'special place' my Father had rigged up.

Long story short. No matter what color the firearm is, to the un-initiated child they all could be toys.

Since I have been shooting so long and have not kept up on this trend of painting firearms all colors of the rainbow I am not not qualified to make a blanket statement on 'to color or not to color' said firearm.

Like I said in a previous post I might have had a purple one but no company/person ever thought to do it back then.

[Mtn folk]

my wife has a bit of pink on her ar. nothing permanent, just some ladder rail.

she wanted something to make it "hers" and not just another one of "mine".

[movie zombie]

good way to id them when side-by-side at the range!

[8bitnintendo]

Long story short. No matter what color the firearm is, to the un-initiated child they all could be toys.

This. I am a little perplexed by the notion that a child would "normally" think that a firearm is serious business to be avoided, but because it is brightly colored it is a toy. When I wander into the toy section at a store I see two kinds of toy guns:

1. Water pistols, which are usually brightly colored or translucent
2. Non-water toy guns, which are generally realistic looking, but with bright orange tips

I actually tried to find an example of a child who injured/killed someone with a colorful firearm thinking it was a toy, and I could only find one example (from February this year, in South Carolina.)

Personally I don't like pink, but I think people should paint their firearms whatever crazy color they want... Though I think it would be a really bad idea to paint the tip/muzzle brake orange or put an orange stripe on it.

[LittleOldLady]

This. I am a little perplexed by the notion that a child would "normally" think that a firearm is serious business to be avoided, but because it is brightly colored it is a toy. When I wander into the toy section at a store I see two kinds of toy guns:

1. Water pistols, which are usually brightly colored or translucent
2. Non-water toy guns, which are generally realistic looking, but with bright orange tips

I actually tried to find an example of a child who injured/killed someone with a colorful firearm thinking it was a toy, and I could only find one example (from February this year, in South Carolina.)

Personally I don't like pink, but I think people should paint their firearms whatever crazy color they want... Though I think it would be a really bad idea to paint the tip/muzzle brake orange or put an orange stripe on it.

If you are meaning that I am saying that brightly colored firearms could be toys you took it out of context.
I was saying that I have known many a child that thought a real firearm was a toy no matter what its color because they had had no training or experience with weapons that were in their home.

[Off the Roster]

A minute with google - you will take umbrage with the first but it is still press, and non-gun folk will take it a gospel. The last does not involve children, it just amused me.

"In spite of the fact that statistics show us that a gun in the house is a danger to the occupants – particularly children -the firearms industry has created a vividly colorful variety of rifles designed specially for children. It could not be clearer that arming children is a goal of the weapons industry and the NRA."

"The incident happened at an apartment complex in the City of Greenville. The 3-year-old, Temorej Smith, and his 7-year-old sister were playing with what they thought was a toy gun — a toy because it was pink — around 7:30 pm. Police aren’t sure who had the gun, but at some point a round was discharged and struck the boy in the head."

"A coroner there said the gun was a Crickett, a little .22-caliber rifle geared toward children. It comes in colors such as hot pink or in multicolor swirls. Like a toy."

"A hapless Arizona man was facing possible gun charges Tuesday after he accidentally shot himself in the penis - with his fiancee's little pink pistol."


Before anyone responds with "the parents were irresponsible", or the "kids were wrong", or "well my kid would never do that" stop:



Hey Mr K. can you please move this to OT? I am pretty certain the ladies are weary.

[8bitnintendo]

A minute with google - you will take umbrage with the first but it is still press, and non-gun folk will take it a gospel. The last does not involve children, it just amused me.

The first reference is the one I found which was clearly a colored firearm; I also found the second reference to the shooting in Kentucky, but I didn't include it in my count since the Crickett "comes in colors" but I couldn't find an article (I checked several) stating what color the actual rifle used in the shooting was.

If you are meaning that I am saying that brightly colored firearms could be toys you took it out of context. I was saying that I have known many a child that thought a real firearm was a toy no matter what its color because they had had no training or experience with weapons that were in their home.

Actually I was completely agreeing with you; in my opinion other factors contributing to unintentional shootings by children (lack of properly securing firearms, insufficiently monitoring children, lack of age-appropriate safety training, etc.) far outweigh the risk added by making the gun more visually appealing.

That said, I am not personally fond of pink as a color and I find the marketing urge to make a "girly" version of everything pretty silly ("Here's a pink power drill for girls! Here's a pink laptop for girls!") It would be cool if more firearms came in a variety of anodized colors -- I'm sure there are plenty of men and women who'd be interested in cherry red, or royal blue, etc. But this being California, I'm sure only one color would end up on the CA-DOJ approved handgun roster...