Why are some men like this.....?

[KLD83]

GRRRR....
This is justa little snip it of some a**hat's comments on another forum. Why do some guys ruin it for the lady that is trying to learn buy just shoving a revolver at them? Really? I just get so angry! I don't think I'm anything special, just a regular lady. I don't know much, but I have guts and confidence and I think if you add that into the equation, ANY gal with some training and shoot. They are talking about a Kahr CW9.... this gun by no means is a beast in any way. Super smooth and easy to shoot. I think my 89 year old grandma could handle it.
What's with guys like this??

"i think ur wife falls within the 90% of women who indeed have a very hard time racking kahrs. I think that was a real reason back when, kahr introuduced their lady PM9. It had a 16# recoil spring instead of factory 18#. evidently sales sucked or the reduction was still not enough to cintinue offering the gun. Not the best forum to be saying this but I have always felt kahrs are not for most women. If they can't go througth the hand racking, clearing a jam. unloading and loading a kahr then get them into something that they feel 100% comforatable with, and in most cases a wheelgun will fit that bill most all the time. and as ____(removed member name)___ stated a 25 is not a gun to put in a womans hands, whether she can rack it or not and sometimes again whether we will admit it or not some women just cannot handle a GUN... "

[SilverTauron]

While his perspective is stuck in the 1970s, hes right about one thing: women cant handle guns at all.


JK.

Kidding aside, not every gun fits every person. That applies to men just like it does to the women.For example, A Glock 22 doesnt fit my hand well and a G23 is impossible for me to shoot well. We all have guns which we just dont ergonomically mesh with.

As far as the commenter goes, even us guys have to suffer fools on occasion.The RKBA applies to idiots as well as the enlightened.

[G-forceJunkie]

No offense, but having worked as an instructor, I have run across MANY women that cannot rack the slide on guns with 18+ pound recoil springs. Some men as well, but its like a 25 to 1 ratio of women to men who have trouble. Its not a issue of misogyny, but the biological facts that most women have less upper body strength and smaller, weaker hands. Thats just nature. Proper training and technique can mediate this issue for some people. While the "a**hat's" comments may have been crude, I think your off base that if someone suggest a piece of equipment more ergonomically suited for a particular shooter is doing them a disservice. It's quite the opposite. Many a time I have been instructing a class with a husband and wife. Husband bought the wife whatever gun he liked, even though it did not fit the wifes physical needs and abilitys. Then I have to watch the whole day as she struggles with it, get frustrated, and learns very little in the class.

PS: Post video of your 89 year old grandma properly and with authority racking the slide of a Kahr with an 18# recoil spring with a fully loaded and seated mag and I will donate $100 to CGF. Alternately, I bet she could thumb cock and fire a revolver.

[nastyhabts26]

Pay no attention to them you just go and do your thing, once you get the feel of it you will come up with your own way to charge your weapon against a strong recoil spring.
Some people are opinionated.
This is where I should say something mean but funny, but I wont.

[HighLander51]

Any stupid jerk who says that would get his ash can kicked back to kindergarten by the women shooters in USPSA, and that includes rifle and shotgun. Generally speaking you want the largest frame gun in a caliber that you can manage, but that doesn't mean that a Kahr CW9 won't work for you at all.


And you don't 'thumb cock' revolvers, you shoot them double action like you are supposed to.

[kaligaran]

I have never handled a gun that I couldn't rack. And I have shot at dozens of different guns from long guns to pistols.

You've gotta be pretty frail to not be able to rack the guns mentioned.

The only gun I didn't care for was the desert eagle. While I had no problems shooting it, I have small hands and it was more difficult than normal to rack it. Although I could still rack the darn thing.
Some of my male shooting buddies had difficulty with it as well.

[kaligaran]

Its not a issue of misogyny

It's misogynistic when you assume based on gender.

[monkezuncle]

Any stupid jerk who says that would get his ash can kicked back to kindergarten by the women shooters in USPSA, and that includes rifle and shotgun. Generally speaking you want the largest frame gun in a caliber that you can manage, but that doesn't mean that a Kahr CW9 won't work for you at all.


And you don't 'thumb cock' revolvers, you shoot them double action like you are supposed to.

Yeah, but let's be honest... these women all kinda look like men. It's like the East German swimming team all over.

[SonofWWIIDI]

You're kidding right? Women can't rack the slide of a kahr? If you aren't kidding, you are full of it.

Even if difficult for them at first (which I seriously doubt it would be), a little practice will help. Unless she is the veritable 98lb weakling!

I have taken quite a few ladies to the range, and non have had any problems racking the slide on any of my semi-automatics. Yes even a couplea noobs. Yes I had to show some of them how to do it, but I also had to show some of them the grip, stance, etc. just like some of my male friends.

[jumbopanda]

Yeah, but let's be honest... these women all kinda look like men. It's like the East German swimming team all over.

Wha..? I guess any woman who isn't 5' 0" and built like a Barbie doll looks like a man to you?

[SoulStealer]

[SilverTauron]

No offense, but having worked as an instructor, I have run across MANY women that cannot rack the slide on guns with 18+ pound recoil springs.

Having served in the military, I've seen women routinely clear Beretta M9s without any trouble-and that's a gun which was DEFINITELY not designed with women users in mind.

Some men as well, but its like a 25 to 1 ratio of women to men who have trouble.
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Lets leave the BS made up stat on MSNBC where they belong , shall we?

Its not a issue of misogyny, but the biological facts that most women have less upper body strength and smaller, weaker hands. Thats just nature. Proper training and technique can mediate this issue for some people.
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What's this got to do with the OPs post?

Firearms are not one size fits all instruments. A gun which fits perfect for a pro shooter like Jessie Duff is probably completely unworkable for a big handed guy like me. Vice versa, she probably wouldn't enjoy shooting and handling my Beretta 92FS.

By the same measure, just because I can make a 2" group at 40 paces with it doesn't mean you automatically can too. Your hands aren't the same size as mine.


Every individual must find a weapon which works for their hand size and needs.

While the "a**hat's" comments may have been crude, I think your off base that if someone suggest a piece of equipment more ergonomically suited for a particular shooter is doing them a disservice. It's quite the opposite. Many a time I have been instructing a class with a husband and wife. Husband bought the wife whatever gun he liked, even though it did not fit the wifes physical needs and abilitys. Then I have to watch the whole day as she struggles with it, get frustrated, and learns very little in the class..

....because she wasn't involved in the purchasing process!

Most guys go about arming their spouses totally *****-backwards. They buy a gun and logically think "Jesus, I'm away from home 90% of the day and the wife/girlfriend is by herself. What if some goblin kicks in the front door while me and my Kimber 1911 are away?"


No one wants to come home from work to see their spouse injured or killed from criminal activity. No ethical man would stand by and permit such a thing to happen. So whats he do? He does everything short of marching his spouse at gunpoint to the nearest FFL and buys the first thing the dealer plops on the table-which is some stereotypical "girls gun".


The problem with this approach is that personal defense cannot be imposed from outside. If a woman genuinely isn't interested in defending herself , there's not a thing her husband or boyfriend can do to change that. He can buy her a gun, pay for professional instruction, and the lady in question will shrug and say "whatever". She'll just think the entire enterprise is a waste of money-and she'd be right. The pistol will go into a drawer never to be used , and in the event of trouble she'll actually be a danger to herself armed with a gun she has no interest or prior experience in using.

Either the girl picks out her own gun, or she shouldn't have one at all. I don't mean that from a gun control perspective, I mean that from the standpoint of her spouse trying to turn his lady into a pistolero against her will.

PS: Post video of your 89 year old grandma properly and with authority racking the slide of a Kahr with an 18# recoil spring with a fully loaded and seated mag and I will donate $100 to CGF. Alternately, I bet she could thumb cock and fire a revolver.

Fortunately, we live in a world where one can buy guns besides Kahrs. Even in the old days when the only 2 brands of semi autos for sale were made by John Moses Browning, Bonnie Parker (of Bonnie and Clyde fame) managed just fine. She , a lithe 116lb woman , shot the 30-06 full auto BAR better then the lawmen chasing her.

Please, lets leave obsolete thinking in the history books where it belongs.

Yeah, but let's be honest... these women all kinda look like men. It's like the East German swimming team all over.

Quit snorting gun oil. Not only are those comp shooters hotter then every chick you've known, but they'll clear a range of targets before you even blink.

Goodness knows we have enough problems right now keeping The Man outta our gun safes. Lets not compound the issue by spreading bold faced lies.

[nothinghere2c]

when i was first teaching a few female friends of mine to shoot, they had trouble racking the slide on my glock and 1911. it wasn't that they didn't have the strength to do it, but it seemed they were a bit intimidated by it and wanted to rack it with the "pinching" approach which is quite difficult at times.

i tried to instill the overhand grip where you rack the slide with your whole hand and once they got more comfortable with it they had no issues.

i still hear guys at the range talking about how women don't, or can't, do this and that with guns and it annoys me. maybe they've just forgotten how new to guns they once were.

[KLD83]

Yeah, but let's be honest... these women all kinda look like men. It's like the East German swimming team all over.

WHAT?? Are you crazy? They are wearing ball caps and polo shirts! German swimming team? REALLY! Grrrr....why some people just jerks?

[KLD83]

The bottom line is, of course different folks for different strokes. I don't like my husband's XD all that much. I can shoot it, I can rack the slide and I can take it apart and clean it. Is it my favorite thing I've ever shot. Nope. BUT, he loves it. It is is favorite gun he owns. BECAUSE he picked it out. I only actually own 2 guns that are mine, not the husband's but I picked them both on my own. In fact, the Kahr CW9 I went and bought alone without one iota of input from any man. Instead of being kind and offering something of value, the jerk (originally posted about)basically made female shooters out to be weak,(physically and mentally).....not ok.