Need a hand with Proof of Residency

[ShadowSociety]

So all I was able to find was a W-2 form and a bank statement, and after some searching found out that these are not acceptable forms of proof. I don't have my name tied to any type of vehicle registration or utility bills. I am not able to draw up a rental agreement with my parents (who own the residence) because they do not support my decision to get a handgun (not because they hate guns or don't trust me with one, it is more a financial situation).

So I was wondering what my options were, is there some sort of form I can get a print out of with proof at a DMV?

I am also a student/employee of a California State University if it makes any difference. And AAA member, I mention this because I have read stories of other Calguns members getting proof through them.

[tenpercentfirearms]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=327217

You need a government issued document with an expiration date. I would suggest getting a hunting or fishing license.

Your pay stub from the state would work for a long gun, but you need an expiration date for the state proof of residency requirement.

Your parents still manage your finances at the age of 21 or older? Or do you owe them money and they don't like going to the back of the line?

[ShadowSociety]

It's more a situation where they suggest I put money into savings account for rainy days or my last year of college.(A very firm suggestion, even though I already have some funds allocated.)

I read somewhere that it is also possible to use a driving record print out from the DMV, but I'm not entirely sure that the print out comes with an address.

The hunting license seems like a good idea, but I'll try and find out about that DMV printout first as that seems to be the least amount of effort and cost.


Edit: Double checked the form I received from the FFL dealer, Hunting and Fishing licences do not count as proof.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=327217

You need a government issued document with an expiration date. I would suggest getting a hunting or fishing license.

Your pay stub from the state would work for a long gun, but you need an expiration date for the state proof of residency requirement.

Your parents still manage your finances at the age of 21 or older? Or do you owe them money and they don't like going to the back of the line?

Where did you find the "expiration" requirement?

The DOJ FAQ says:

Government-issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) documentation that has all of the following - - This does not include a drivers license or DMV-issued ID card:
The name of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.
The name of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.
The residential address of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID or the address update attachment to the driver's license/identification card.
The residential address of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.

Young buyers are often in this situation where parents disapprove. I accepted a sample ballot for one transaction. I just want to be able to show that it was something within the last 90 days like for utility bills.




Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 W 12-9 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

[ShadowSociety]

Young buyers are often in this situation where parents disapprove. I accepted a sample ballot for one transaction. I just want to be able to show that it was something within the last 90 days like for utility bills.

My W-2 was issued by a CSU(a state agency), as a vendor would you accept something like this?

[tenpercentfirearms]

Where did you find the "expiration" requirement?

The DOJ FAQ says:

Government-issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) documentation that has all of the following - - This does not include a drivers license or DMV-issued ID card:
The name of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.
The name of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.
The residential address of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID or the address update attachment to the driver's license/identification card.
The residential address of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.

Young buyers are often in this situation where parents disapprove. I accepted a sample ballot for one transaction. I just want to be able to show that it was something within the last 90 days like for utility bills.




Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 W 12-9 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

Not sure which FAQ you are on, but here is the one I am on. http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#33G

Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a CA Driver License or CA Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form
or

The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
Examples of acceptable proof of residency:

Current DMV registrations.
Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name onit from within the last 3 months.
Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.
Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
Cellular phone bill.

Yes they say a hunting or fishing license won't work, but now that the DFG is on the automated system, the DOJ has stated they will take it. Your FFL might not agree.

I read somewhere that it is also possible to use a driving record print out from the DMV, but I'm not entirely sure that the print out comes with an address.

DMV printout does not have a period of validity nor expiration date.

[Elite Armory]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=327217

You need a government issued document with an expiration date. I would suggest getting a hunting or fishing license.

Not sure which FAQ you are on, but here is the one I am on. http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#33G


Yes they say a hunting or fishing license won't work, but now that the DFG is on the automated system, the DOJ has stated they will take it. Your FFL might not agree.

DMV printout does not have a period of validity nor expiration date.

We just had a DOJ inspection last week and the DOJ inspector told us that a fishing license does not count anymore even if it is printed out because the system that is used to issue the license just pulls the address from their DMV issued license. We specifically asked about this scenario.

[xjdesertfox]

You have a drivers license? Get a state ID.

You only have a state ID? Get a drivers license.

[Elite Armory]

You have a drivers license? Get a state ID.

You only have a state ID? Get a drivers license.

Drivers license and/or State ID do not work as proof of residency.

[Jeepers]

sorry to side track but didnt want to start a new thread

would a DL that is issued in one county ( a PO BOX) and a car registration issued in my current county and residence(Street addy) cause a issue in a handgun PPT ? or would i need some other form of ID for the transaction ?

[tenpercentfirearms]

We just had a DOJ inspection last week and the DOJ inspector told us that a fishing license does not count anymore even if it is printed out because the system that is used to issue the license just pulls the address from their DMV issued license. We specifically asked about this scenario.

However that is not necessarily true. We can edit the system!

I had them tell me on the phone it was legit so I am using it. We could also argue they ordered it online and had it sent to them. That most certainly is a government issued document with an expiration date.

I wonder if we should start working on getting a definitive answer on this or if not having a definitive answer works better for us.

sorry to side track but didnt want to start a new thread

would a DL that is issued in one county ( a PO BOX) and a car registration issued in my current county and residence(Street addy) cause a issue in a handgun PPT ? or would i need some other form of ID for the transaction ?

It will not cause an issue. You have the correct documentation to be the buyer and even a seller (even though no correction is necessary) on a PPT.

[kemasa]

If you look at most government documents, the address comes from your DMV ID/DL, so it is all a bit of a bad joke. I heard that the reason why a DL/ID is not acceptable is because some people live in NV, but work in CA and need a CA DL. The DL should show the NV residence address though, so that really does not make sense. This issue also is only for handguns.

The only reason to push the issue is to see if you can get the DOJ to understand that a CA DL/ID should be acceptable proof of residency.

[Jeepers]

Thanks Wes sure wish i was closer to your shop

[knerona]

Proof of residency is required to get a CA DL/ID, are you having problems finding that
documentation?

Or do your parents have it locked up and you are looking for a work around?

[ShadowSociety]

I was able to convince my parents into signing a simple residential lease I found online and modified.

I appreciate all the help, all of you guys are great. I get to pick up my gun tomorrow.