Need a hand with Proof of Residency

[Jeepers]

Originally Posted by Jeepers
sorry to side track but didnt want to start a new thread

would a DL that is issued in one county ( a PO BOX) and a car registration issued in my current county and residence(Street addy) cause a issue in a handgun PPT ? or would i need some other form of ID for the transaction ?

It will not cause an issue. You have the correct documentation to be the buyer and even a seller (even though no correction is necessary) on a PPT.

so Wes i started mt PPT but was told i need a second "proof of residence" at pick up due to my DL having a PO BOX and this is the list they said would be acceptable .. is this a normal thing or just a store policy ?

[Toby's Tactical]

DOJ OAG site has a list of approved Proof of Residency documents: http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/resprf but does not state the codes. "Under Bureau of Firearms policy and soon to be proposed in regulations, firearms dealers may accept any of the following:"

[kemasa]

so Wes i started mt PPT but was told i need a second "proof of residence" at pick up due to my DL having a PO BOX and this is the list they said would be acceptable .. is this a normal thing or just a store policy ?

They are wrong, but not in the way that you might think. If your ID does not have your current residence address, the Feds require a government document with your residence address on it. For CA, the others are ok.

It is a requirement from CA & Feds., so it is not just a store policy (although their store policy is wrong).

As a side note, it is not a second proof of residency, it is a proof of residence since CA does not accept a CA ID/DL as proof of residency for handguns.

[Jeepers]

They are wrong, but not in the way that you might think. If your ID does not have your current residence address, the Feds require a government document with your residence address on it. For CA, the others are ok.

It is a requirement from CA & Feds., so it is not just a store policy (although their store policy is wrong).

As a side note, it is not a second proof of residency, it is a proof of residence since CA does not accept a CA ID/DL as proof of residency for handguns.

i also came in with my current car registration with street addy they said that was fine but needed what is shown on the letter for a second form of proof of residence

[ke6guj]

i also came in with my current car registration with street addy they said that was fine but needed what is shown on the letter for a second form of proof of residence

they are wrong, your current car registration with your current street address on it is all you legally need to comply with CA and federal law.

[Jeepers]

they are wrong, your current car registration with your current street address on it is all you legally need to comply with CA and federal law.

kinda what i thought also from what i have read but was not sure the laws change so much all the time this is the first handgun i have bought in many year ... last few i bought i had to get a BFSC and when that changed i stopped buying until recently ... anywho i will bring in what they want and find a different shop ....

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

[QUOTE=tenpercentfirearms;10633863]Not sure which FAQ you are on, but here is the one I am on. http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#33G

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/resprf

Different page. Different info.

The one you quote says "license, permit, or registration" WITH expiration date.

The page I'm quoting simply says "government issued documentation" and has no expiration requirement.

Which is correct?



Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

[ke6guj]

Which is correct?

both are just FAQs, look at the actual regulations and you'll see this:

1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:

A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.

B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.

Note: Authority cited: Section 26845, Penal Code. Reference: Sections 26845 and 27550, Penal Code.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Why does DOJ put bad info in their FAQ's? Any reasonable person would assume guidelines given in an official FAQ would be supported by actual law.

I guess I better print out both FAQ's and I hope I don't have to use them in an audit...


Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

[Lagkiller]

Figure I might as well ask here since the FFLs all seem to be here too. I am running into a similar problem. Car and home are registered in my girlfriends name (she got a better rate through her credit union than we could together), and while I am "on" the utilities, the only one I have that displays my name when sent is the water bill.

Last week I brought my DL and water bill with for my purchase last week and my FFL said I need something else and listed a bunch of bills or car registration which of course I don't have. Since my license displayed my previous address (we moved a month ago), would getting an updated license from the DMV work or do I really need to find some other bill?

Thanks guys!

[kemasa]

Who is going to force them to be accurate?

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Figure I might as well ask here since the FFLs all seem to be here too. I am running into a similar problem. Car and home are registered in my girlfriends name (she got a better rate through her credit union than we could together), and while I am "on" the utilities, the only one I have that displays my name when sent is the water bill.

Last week I brought my DL and water bill with for my purchase last week and my FFL said I need something else and listed a bunch of bills or car registration which of course I don't have. Since my license displayed my previous address (we moved a month ago), would getting an updated license from the DMV work or do I really need to find some other bill?

Thanks guys!

Water bill is good for the state, but only good for Fed if your bill is from a municipality. Cal water for example is a private company. You need a government issued document since your license does not bear your current address.

[Dvrjon]

Why does DOJ put bad info in their FAQ's? Any reasonable person would assume guidelines given in an official FAQ would be supported by actual law.

I guess I better print out both FAQ's and I hope I don't have to use them in an audit.

Not to put too sharp a point on it, but this is YOUR business. You're supposed to know this crap.

Just so you know, the Penal Code citations on the DOJ BOF site are the old code sections which were changed two years ago.
This is also on their website, and is out of date:

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/Cfl2007.pdf?

Good luck with documenting your compliance with statutes based your reliance with these DOJ Internet FAQs. Now that you've identified a conflict between entries, your defense of innocent reliance is gone.

Best.

JR

[Ninety]

So how does a person who doesn't have a permanent residence obtain a handgun? Gypsies are screwed or what?

Never thought about it before now.. but how does one have to have residency in order to exercise a right?

[CharlesV]

Ok, since quite a while i use my Calif Real Estate Brokers licence (govt issued, expiration date, my name and address appearing). It is a perfect document, as is any other similar professional licence--State Bar, Accounting, Medical, Architecural, Pest Control, etc)

2. I have used a new, current Social Security statement. I went to an SS office, got a current printout of my benefits and took that in also. In light of having the RE licence the SS statement would be redundant.

3. I have used an IRS Estimated Tax Statement which many of us get every year in the mail--(again, govt issued, name and address appearing, dated within 90 days of the purchase).

4. If a person doesnt own the place where they live and have no rental agreement, a signed letter from the owner that you live there, accompanied by a copy of the Grant Deed also works.

These alternatives arent on the list of usual suspects but they meet the guideline so they are acceptable.