Gun resold during 10 day wait

[Renegade90]

It was posted about a week ago that We The People are closing on their facebook page, OP I know you wanted to try and keep their name out of it but if you would have originally posted the shop name I'm sure one of us locals could have told you their doors were closing. Sorry you had to deal with this BS bud, not a lot of good shops in Fresno anymore.

[tenpercentfirearms]

He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.

That is all I will say to be civil.

You never know who people are, what they have done, and who they know. The world is a small place.

Interesting how you automatically assumed I was speaking directly to you as well, quite a guilty conscious you have.

I did not assume you were talking to me. I understood you mentioned no names plus I didn't say anything inflammatory on here. I have no guilty conscience.

What I do know is that your vague Internet threats of some random dealer losing business over what they say in the FFL forums is really not that important. I am a little more vocal than other FFLs, so I will educate some of you on how all of this works.

Most FFLs do not like Calguns.net style customers. First, most of them tend to spend way too much time on the Internet searching for the best deal and are quite educated when it comes to products and prices. This isn't a bad thing, I used to be one of these types until I realized I could get guns a whole lot cheaper if I sold them.

So when a Calgunner comes into our shops wanting some unreasonable deal, doesn't get it, and then uses the threat of the "going public" sword to try and persuade a dealer, we would rather just skip that whole mess. Plus most smart Calgunners get guns cheap online and transfer them from cheap kitchen table dealers.

There is nothing wrong with this. I support you in doing what you have to do to be responsible with your money. Again, I am guilty as charged.

What guys who threaten to never give business to FFLs need to understand is your online threats don't mean much. For example, I have a shop in the middle of no where! I am in the boonies. Everyone that lives in distance of me has been into my shop and knows we take great care of people. You won't hear many people complain on Calguns about our store except fjold. So your long distance threat from San Diego, Orange County, Modesto, Sacramento, or Redding is not a credible threat. Of course you weren't going to drive down to see me. You never were.

Second, Calgunners tend to be notorious cheap skates. You are not the customers we want anyway. My best customers are definitely not on Calguns. They are local guys or even guys who travel that come into my store, see something on the wall or see it online, they want me to get it for them, and they do not ask about prices. So I give them good deals and they just keep coming back for more.

And that is really the whole point of this education I am giving you. Think about the worst gun shops out there. There are already numerous threads about how horrible their prices, customer service, and selection are. Yet, they continue to stay in business. If every Calgunner knows they suck, how do they keep thriving?

Answer: there is this whole gigantic world outside of Calguns that do not do their research, do not haggle on prices, and just buy, buy, buy. And they exist even outside of the current panic.

This customer will always exist and as long as they do, your threats of not using an FFL are not that credible. Plus, deep down inside, you are not worth the effort even if you do decide to shop with us so we are actually happy you don't come into the store.

Obviously this might not make me popular with some of you, but it needed to be said. The few FFLs that cruise Calguns are all thinking it and the FFLs not on here stay away because of issues like yours.

Hey if what We the People in Clovis did is true, it isn't cool. People need to know about it. I find value in these threads because I see the mistakes other dealers make and discuss them with my employees. There is also value in avoiding those stores.

However, if you want to base your decision on whether to go to a gun shop based on what they say in the FFL forums, that is cool. You are free to do as you wish. Just don't think it means much to any of the dealers here.

I think it all boils down to control. People want to feel powerful and important. They try to wield their word on the Internet as some sort of sword. I don't expect you to stop trying to use your sword. It has been happening on here forever. I have been pissing people off in these threads forever.

I am still in business. The part I enjoy about all of this is when customers come in and laugh about these threads. My customers know me and know what we provide. So anyone who says they won't use my shop because of my attitude on the FFL forums where I am educating non-FFLs how to deal with FFLs, it doesn't bother me. You were never going to use my shop anyway.

To my regular customers who come into the shop and have been for years. You know you are important to me (even fjold!). To the first time customer that comes in and is treated well, you know you are important to me because I always thank you for your business. To the Calguns haters who have never spent a dime in my store, but aren't going to now because my opinion hurts your feelings, I am sorry you feel that way.

[skyscraper]

About 6-7 years ago I went into a little shop called 10percent firearms because my brother had bought a lower from them. At the time, they were the only ones (that I know of) transferring ar-15 lowers in kern county. All other places were saying it was illegal. Wes took a chance, and now everyone here sells them.

Then about a year ago I called him and asked if he would try to get me a taurus judge. He didnt sell them at the time, but he looked into it, and within a few days emailed me back saying he could do it. He got the gun in, I had my trust done, and 6 months later after the tax stamp came back I had my gun. A lot of gun stores would not bother going out of their way to try to get an exotic gun for a customer (which is fine), but Wes certainly has for a lot of people.

You guys that are saying "I will never shop there", well chances are you never were going to anyway as you probably don't even live near kern county. Wes was spot on with his comments in this thread. Some of you just dont understand the realities of owning a business.

[12voltguy]

About 6-7 years ago I went into a little shop called 10percent firearms because my brother had bought a lower from them. At the time, they were the only ones (that I know of) transferring ar-15 lowers in kern county. All other places were saying it was illegal. Wes took a chance, and now everyone here sells them.

Then about a year ago I called him and asked if he would try to get me a taurus judge. He didnt sell them at the time, but he looked into it, and within a few days emailed me back saying he could do it. He got the gun in, I had my trust done, and 6 months later after the tax stamp came back I had my gun. A lot of gun stores would not bother going out of their way to try to get an exotic gun for a customer (which is fine), but Wes certainly has for a lot of people.

You guys that are saying "I will never shop there", well chances are you never were going to anyway as you probably don't even live near kern county. Wes was spot on with his comments in this thread. Some of you just dont understand the realities of owning a business.

lol
cool you got your AOW, but sad such a cheap easy to get gun in other states is an exotic in calif

[philobeddoe]

Thanks for the explanation 10%.
In my 45 years I've seen logic and reason go out the window,
as facts are subordinated to feelings.

I own a business as well, but not firearms related.
Client/customer acquisition and retention is challenging.
It ain't easy, hassles abound.
Always appreciate getting the unvarnished opinion of other businessmen.

[Spelunker]

Does the (not jerk) Ryan Cox have a handle here on calguns?

[Lumpy8]

I can be opinionated also...especially pounding away behind a keyboard and I'll tell you what I dislike about 10%.....

Every time I've gone into this store I spent way too much $$$!

Thanks Wes for the honesty.

[GM4spd]

Second, Calgunners tend to be notorious cheap skates. You are not the customers we want anyway. My best customers are definitely not on Calguns.

Wow,I loved the whole post but these two sentences said it all! The
best thing I've read on here after 4 years!!! It is SO true! Pete

[Zedrek]

I try not to let online opinions cloud my judgement too much. I had read a couple of reviews about a LGS that said that the owner was an a-hole and such but I wanted to go in and see for myself. I ended up buying a Browning Buckmark from him. I bought a weaver mount and red dot off of Amazon and tried to get the original rear sight off but almost stripped the screw. I went back to the LGS and he fixed it for me for no charge. I showed my appreciation by returning on multiple occasions to purchase stuff. I would of never went in there if I followed those two reviews alone.

[choprzrul]

I may be a cheaparse CalGun'r, but I like going to my local gun store and spending a few dollars on things that I can get elsewhere cheaper. I figure that A) it gets me into a gun shop at least once a week, B) I can talk to someone about guns without using a keyboard, C) I get to see the cross section of society that will enter a gun shop, and D) Those few $$ spent once a week develop a relationship that comes in handy every once in a while.

Glad that things worked out for OP, who wasn't a jerk either.....

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[Prosperi-Tees]

My wife and I went in there after Christmas and they were very busy. The guy behind the counter was not very talkative, maybe said 4 words the entire time. So we went to Fresno Firearms and we got excellent service even though we told them we were just looking.

[Zedrek]

You weren't going to come to my shop anyway. I guess I missed the part where you were a big deal.

Plus this is the FFL forum. FFLs will probably give you their .02 cents on how to handle it. It isn't like we know anything about this business.

No worries, if I'm in town I'll gladly take his place and buy something. Now about that discount...........

[hiyabrad]

Love this thread, good for late might chuckles. Anyway, this could be the non-jerk:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=666151

[hiyabrad]

Love this thread, good for late might chuckles. Anyway, this could be the non-jerk:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=666151

[hiyabrad]

Love this thread, good for late night chuckles.

Sorry to hear about your now-resolved headache OP. No fun there. Hope you don't think about it every time you pick up that AR. Might be worth the piece of mind to go buy what you wanted and sell what you got and get rid of the bad karma.

I would not do any business with the non-jerk and for sure once you add in the fact he's going out of business - that spells big trouble IMHO.

Having said that, the non-jerk could be circling for the kill:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=666151

I posted on his thread asking if he was a shop and will update if I get a response. Non-jerk is probably reading this thread to see if OP keep his end of the agreement, which he did.

Lastly, good to hear you don't need our business Wes! Way to stereotype Calguns' members.