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  • Santa Cruz Armory
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 4357

    Got a call from DOJ today...

    Received a friendly call from DOJ today inquiring about what I think is a run of the mill DROS.

    The DROS in question was a dealer transfer on a single action revolver... nothing really exciting. The DOJ caller questioned the age of the pistol several times and also inquired a few times if the buyer had a C&R license.

    Kind of caught off guard, I said that the transfer was roster exempt due to the pistol being a single action revolver. The DOJ employee said that "this would be forwarded to the supervisor for review".

    After I got off the phone I immediately did a Google search and came up with this.

    I called the DOJ back, gave the original caller the penal code (12133PC) and stated again my belief of the exemption of single action revolvers. Again it was stated that it would be forwarded to the supervisor for review.

    Am I missing something? Have any other dealers had this type of questioning? just curious if this is normal routine questioning by the DOJ or if this is something I should be concerned about.
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    TRICKSTER
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    • Mar 2008
    • 12438

    1 in 30 violation?


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    • #3
      Santa Cruz Armory
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 4357

      They were questioning the pistol. No mention of a 1 in 30 violation.
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      • #4
        halifax
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 4440

        Hopefully, the supervisor will know more than the person who called you.
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        • #5
          tenpercentfirearms
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Apr 2005
          • 13007

          Yeah I am thinking a possible 1 in 30 violation.

          I just tried to DROS three handguns to myself using the FFL and CFD exemption using the multiple DROS option and it wouldn't let me because they had to be 1 in 30 exempt. I was told over the phone that once you put FFL and CFD that it would go through. So now it might be funny if they come back as 1 in 30 day violations when I have already taken them home.
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          • #6
            TripleT
            Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 348

            I think I've told the story before about getting a call on a 1 in 30 on my own transfer.

            Went something like this:

            DOJ: Hello this is so and so with the DOJ and we're going to need to inform you of a thirty day handgun denial.

            Me: Ok, who is the buyer ?

            DOJ: (She gives me my name)

            Me: Well that's me...

            DOJ: Oh, well you are inside 30 days so you can't do that.

            Me: Did I forget to add my CFD or not check the box or ?

            DOJ: momentary silence.......... can you please forget I called ?

            Me: Sure, have a great day....

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            • #7
              Oceanbob
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              • Jun 2010
              • 12720

              Maybe it's a new employee..? Sure sounds like it.
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              • #8
                fighterpilot562
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2012
                • 47060

                Originally posted by TripleT
                I think I've told the story before about getting a call on a 1 in 30 on my own transfer.

                Went something like this:

                DOJ: Hello this is so and so with the DOJ and we're going to need to inform you of a thirty day handgun denial.

                Me: Ok, who is the buyer ?

                DOJ: (She gives me my name)

                Me: Well that's me...

                DOJ: Oh, well you are inside 30 days so you can't do that.

                Me: Did I forget to add my CFD or not check the box or ?

                DOJ: momentary silence.......... can you please forget I called ?

                Me: Sure, have a great day....
                haha!

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                • #9
                  kemasa
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 10706

                  While there are mistakes, they really don't know what the deal is with the firearm. It is the same entry point for a C&R vs. a firearm exempt from the certified list, so they have to call and ask.

                  I heard that there was a place selling Henry Mare's leg and just submitting them as exempt, not making them single shot, claiming that it was exempt because it was designed after an old gun. The CA DOJ does not know that or seem to see that.
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                  • #10
                    Santa Cruz Armory
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 4357

                    Well, I got a bit more info. It is a 1/30 day violation... but! they are still questioning the firearm. "is it a cowboy gun?", "is it old?".

                    They also asked if was "single shot or single action?", (I said single action) and SHE stated that single shot was a "grey area".

                    It was the supervisor who called me. She was very pleasant and said she still needed to find out about the firearm and that the DROS was being delayed for a couple days. I'm still a bit
                    Last edited by Santa Cruz Armory; 04-02-2012, 10:38 PM. Reason: added "SHE"
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                    • #11
                      Baconator
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 9547

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                      • #12
                        CSACANNONEER
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 44093

                        Originally posted by BLFD1
                        Well, I got a bit more info. It is a 1/30 day violation... but! they are still questioning the firearm. "is it a cowboy gun?", "is it old?".

                        They also asked if was "single shot or single action?", (I said single action) and stated that single shot was a "grey area".

                        It was the supervisor who called me. She was very pleasant and said she still needed to find out about the firearm and that the DROS was being delayed for a couple days. I'm still a bit
                        I'm curious why would you state that? Some single shots might be a grey area to some but, obviously the original purpose of the SS exemption is not a grey area. I would hate to have a FFL tell me that DROSing a Contender or XP100 is a "grey area".
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                        • #13
                          Citadelonline
                          Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 153

                          Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                          I'm curious why would you state that? Some single shots might be a grey area to some but, obviously the original purpose of the SS exemption is not a grey area. I would hate to have a FFL tell me that DROSing a Contender or XP100 is a "grey area".
                          I think he meant the DOJ employee made the statement that single shot was a "grey area."
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                          • #14
                            CSACANNONEER
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                            • Dec 2006
                            • 44093

                            Originally posted by Citadelonline
                            I think he meant the DOJ employee made the statement that single shot was a "grey area."
                            Thanks. On reread, I think you're right. Now my statement is directed at the azzhats at DOJ. Why would DROSing a TC Contender, G2 or XP100 under the SS exemption be a "grey area"? Obviously, the exemption was put in place for a reason. So, as long as a firearm meets the requirements of said exemption. How can it be a "grey area"?
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                            • #15
                              jdberger
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 8944

                              Originally posted by BLFD1
                              Well, I got a bit more info. It is a 1/30 day violation... but! they are still questioning the firearm. "is it a cowboy gun?", "is it old?".

                              They also asked if was "single shot or single action?", (I said single action) and stated that single shot was a "grey area".

                              It was the supervisor who called me. She was very pleasant and said she still needed to find out about the firearm and that the DROS was being delayed for a couple days. I'm still a bit
                              Isn't the make and model on the DROS? They've heard of tehGoogle, haven't they?
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