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  • #16
    NDFMF
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 712

    Originally posted by garandguy10
    Assuming that there is no problem with you application, you will likely receive your High Capacity Magazine Permit in about a month after your mailed your application.
    Of course, I am assuming that you have all of your FFL dealer paperwork already approved, and that your are actually legally engaged in the business of Firearms sales.
    Yes, I am up and operational as an FFL. I sent in my application for the large capacity magazine permit because I had some law enforcement officials ask me for quotes on some Glocks that I wouldn't be able to make good on without the permit.

    Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
    You are all wrong. I have one. It says, "Large Capacity Magazine Permit".

    I get mine when I re-up my CFD and they always come in together.
    Thanks for the correction Wes. Sounds like I just need to wait a little longer and see what happens.

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    • #17
      tenpercentfirearms
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Apr 2005
      • 13007

      Originally posted by NDFMF
      Thanks for the correction Wes. Sounds like I just need to wait a little longer and see what happens.
      Did you include a written or typed letter for good cause? If not, they might be rejecting it and sending it back to you to insert the letter and then send it in again.
      www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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      • #18
        NDFMF
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 712

        Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
        Did you include a written or typed letter for good cause? If not, they might be rejecting it and sending it back to you to insert the letter and then send it in again.
        I did include the letter. I basically just told them that I have inquiries pending from LEOs that I can't act on without the permit, and also that I would like to import them for disassembly into parts for repair. Hopefully those are good enough to get me the permit. It would be nice to have the extra business.

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        • #19
          tenpercentfirearms
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Apr 2005
          • 13007

          Originally posted by NDFMF
          I did include the letter. I basically just told them that I have inquiries pending from LEOs that I can't act on without the permit, and also that I would like to import them for disassembly into parts for repair. Hopefully those are good enough to get me the permit. It would be nice to have the extra business.
          FAIL! You should have never mentioned repair kits. That there might be the reason why it is taking so long. Hopefully you get it.

          Lesson to all, only tell them what they want to hear. LEO sales only. They might be crafting up a reason why they think repair parts kits are illegal and why they are not issuing you a permit.

          Sorry to be the bearer of possible bad news. Hopefully you still get it.

          If you do get a denial letter, please scan a copy and send it to me. I'll see if the CGF wants to get involved.
          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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          • #20
            NDFMF
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 712

            Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
            FAIL! You should have never mentioned repair kits. That there might be the reason why it is taking so long. Hopefully you get it.

            Lesson to all, only tell them what they want to hear. LEO sales only. They might be crafting up a reason why they think repair parts kits are illegal and why they are not issuing you a permit.

            Sorry to be the bearer of possible bad news. Hopefully you still get it.

            If you do get a denial letter, please scan a copy and send it to me. I'll see if the CGF wants to get involved.
            Yeah, I didn't really think of that I guess. It really depends on who you talk to at the DOJ I guess. The field agent who conducted my initial inspection seemed to agree with me that it would be legal to sell parts kits as long as they weren't assembled into a complete magazine, and as long as they were labelled as parts kits.

            They did return my application and letter today. The reason they gave is that I haven't submitted my renewal for my CFD listing. They asked me to resubmit the application along with my CFD renewal and $115 check. Maybe I should change the letter as well when I resubmit.

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            • #21
              dachan
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 1973

              Originally posted by POLICESTATE
              You mean standard capacity magazines that exceed the round limit imposed by law?
              This is one of the most heavily regulated businesses around. No matter how mad we are with the anti's, whereas standard, normal and hi-cap are not defined, the PC clearly defines large capacity magazines.

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              • #22
                tenpercentfirearms
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Apr 2005
                • 13007

                Originally posted by NDFMF
                Yeah, I didn't really think of that I guess. It really depends on who you talk to at the DOJ I guess. The field agent who conducted my initial inspection seemed to agree with me that it would be legal to sell parts kits as long as they weren't assembled into a complete magazine, and as long as they were labelled as parts kits.

                They did return my application and letter today. The reason they gave is that I haven't submitted my renewal for my CFD listing. They asked me to resubmit the application along with my CFD renewal and $115 check. Maybe I should change the letter as well when I resubmit.
                Now, they might be cool and process it with the repair kits thing. Everyone know sit is legal including the DOJ. However, you have to think about this critically. Do they have to issue the large cap mag permit? Can it be discretionary? I honestly don't know and I don't want to find out. If you are only selling to LEOs, then you have no reason to be denied. That is all you need to put on there.

                Now that sucks you have to wait because if you are like me, you won't get your local business license until nearly the end of the year and you won't get your CFD and large cap mag permit until probably January 15th or later.
                www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                • #23
                  halifax
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4440

                  Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                  ...
                  Now that sucks you have to wait because if you are like me, you won't get your local business license until nearly the end of the year and you won't get your CFD and large cap mag permit until probably January 15th or later.
                  Same boat here.
                  Jim


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                  • #24
                    NDFMF
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 712

                    Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                    Now, they might be cool and process it with the repair kits thing. Everyone know sit is legal including the DOJ. However, you have to think about this critically. Do they have to issue the large cap mag permit? Can it be discretionary? I honestly don't know and I don't want to find out. If you are only selling to LEOs, then you have no reason to be denied. That is all you need to put on there.

                    Now that sucks you have to wait because if you are like me, you won't get your local business license until nearly the end of the year and you won't get your CFD and large cap mag permit until probably January 15th or later.
                    Update, FYI:

                    I received a denial in the mail about a week after my last post in this thread. They denied it because I hadn't sent in my CFD renewal. I sent that in about a week later, and this morning I received my confirmation along with my large capacity magazine permit. So apparently, they processed it. However, it's not valid until January 1, 2011. Guess I'll have to wait.

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                    • #25
                      tenpercentfirearms
                      Vendor/Retailer
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 13007

                      Originally posted by NDFMF
                      Update, FYI:

                      I received a denial in the mail about a week after my last post in this thread. They denied it because I hadn't sent in my CFD renewal. I sent that in about a week later, and this morning I received my confirmation along with my large capacity magazine permit. So apparently, they processed it. However, it's not valid until January 1, 2011. Guess I'll have to wait.
                      Just send it out and use it anyway. No one cares.
                      www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                      • #26
                        jtmkinsd
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 2352

                        Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                        Just send it out and use it anyway. No one cares.
                        Originally posted by orangeglo
                        Welcome to failtown, population = you.

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                        • #27
                          tenpercentfirearms
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 13007

                          Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                          Just send it out and use it anyway. No one cares.
                          Plus by the time they show up, it will be January 1st or later.
                          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                          • #28
                            NDFMF
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 712

                            Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                            Just send it out and use it anyway. No one cares.
                            Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                            Plus by the time they show up, it will be January 1st or later.
                            Good points.

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                            • #29
                              CAL.BAR
                              CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 5632

                              Originally posted by NDFMF
                              Yes, that is what I mean, but as CSACANNONEER also pointed out, I am using the letter of the law. I guess we can all probably agree that we're all hoping for the day that we get our constitutionally protected rights back. All of them.



                              Anyway, any ideas about why it's taking so long? Is this normal for a hi-cap mag permit application?

                              I must have missed the part in the Constitution where we are granted the inalienable right to life, liberty and hi capacity magazines.

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                              • #30
                                NDFMF
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 712

                                Originally posted by djandj
                                I must have missed the part in the Constitution where we are granted the inalienable right to life, liberty and hi capacity magazines.
                                Well, by that logic, an ammo ban would be constitutional... so, what side are you on?

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