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  • #16
    BANG BANG
    • Jul 2010
    • 2972

    Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
    There is no state requirement that your DL address match your secondary proof of residency as often they don't match.

    Federally, if the DL doesn't match, then you need a government issued document that does match your current address.
    i see thanks. so either way you will need 2 that match
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    • #17
      tenpercentfirearms
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Apr 2005
      • 13007

      Originally posted by BANG BANG
      i see thanks. so either way you will need 2 that match
      What you need is an address on your 4473. If that address does not match your ID, then you need something else to prove you actually live there for the feds. That would be a government issued document. If your ID matches your 4473, then you need nothing else.

      For buying handgun, no matter what your ID says, you must have proof of residency that matches your 4473 address. A government issued document may not suffice for this requirement, but it is possible. That is where you look at the second set of requirements on my cheat sheet.

      This is why I have a cheat sheet. It is not as clear as some people think.
      www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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      • #18
        gunshack
        Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 271

        Thanks Wes, good stuff. I hope you don't mind, but I edited your original document for clarity, continuity and succinctness for my own use.

        I was planning on putting together a cheat sheet with a list of qualifying documents, and whether they satisfy the Feds, the State or both. Has anyone put together a list of qualifying documents they would be willing to share?

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        • #19
          kemasa
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2005
          • 10706

          How about posting what changes you made?
          Kemasa.
          False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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          • #20
            gunshack
            Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 271

            If it's ok with Wes I will.

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            • #21
              CA Gun Laws Suck
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2006
              • 1289

              I think you did a good job. There are always issues with customers having an old address on their ID and needing additional document and having what is needed can be confusing for newer people working in shops. NICE WORK!
              "This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem." -Joe Rogan

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              • #22
                tenpercentfirearms
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Apr 2005
                • 13007

                Originally posted by gunshack
                If it's ok with Wes I will.
                I have zero problems with it. I only posted it to share with you guys to make all of our lives easier.
                www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                • #23
                  A&A FIREARMS
                  Junior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 13

                  Great info Wes.
                  I was told the same.

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                  • #24
                    Bryan.40
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 50

                    Well if I have an insurance policy for my vehicle does that count?

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                    • #25
                      Bryan.40
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 50

                      And if some of these accounts such as credit cards or bank statements are maintained online? Will a print out suffice or will I have to request statements from my bank?

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                      • #26
                        tenpercentfirearms
                        Vendor/Retailer
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 13007

                        Originally posted by Bryan.40
                        Well if I have an insurance policy for my vehicle does that count?
                        Nope. Not in any of the above situations. Not one.

                        Originally posted by Bryan.40
                        And if some of these accounts such as credit cards or bank statements are maintained online? Will a print out suffice or will I have to request statements from my bank?
                        I would accept a print out where it is relevant. Credit cards and bank statements are only valid for proving 90 days of continuous residency if you are legal alien or a nonimmigrant alien. They prove nothing for federal proof of residency or State handgun DROS.

                        Now a printout of your PG&E bill for State handgun DROS I accept.
                        www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                        • #27
                          psssniper
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 3060



                          Would a CCW from another state meet this requirement?
                          "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness; I love only that which they defend.
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                          • #28
                            ke6guj
                            Moderator
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 23725

                            From the actual regulations on the matter, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf

                            d. "Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice" means either of the following:
                            1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
                            A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
                            B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
                            I don't see why a CCW issued by another state would not fall under that catagory. The regulations do not appear to limit "state" to "state of California" only, but it would probably fall under the the FFL's perogative.
                            Jack



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                            • #29
                              FNH5-7
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 9407

                              For a handgun purchase would these pass?

                              Scenario 1: CA ID, W-2, HSC

                              Scenario 2: CA ID, rent/lease contract(does it have to be notarized?), HSC

                              Am I good or what would I be missing?
                              Last edited by FNH5-7; 08-17-2010, 2:25 PM.
                              Originally posted by FalconLair
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                              • #30
                                jtmkinsd
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 2352

                                Either one is acceptable, as long as the addresses match (no the rent/lease doesn't have to be notarized). If the address on the rent/lease doesn't match what's on your license then you would have to go with the 1st option, since the W-2 is a government issued document.
                                Originally posted by orangeglo
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