My CA FFL Proof of Residency Cheat Sheet.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Ok, so Becky and Gina are all screwed up on what documents work for DROS and what documents work for the 4473 for residency. So here is the cheat sheet I just made for making their life easier. I also see no reason why I can't hand this cheat sheet to a customer too if they are not quite sure how they are going to prove what they need to prove.

Now this is my document, so if you don't like it, that is fine. However, I would like some proof reading and some possible more examples of documents you might regularly use for the 4473 Requirement. And then please feel free to use it yourself if you want.

Also the reason I don't retain copies for the Federal requirements are two fold. First, if it isn't necessary, then I am not going to do it because every sheet of paper I don't have to store, that is good. Second, my ATF agent told me specifically not to keep copies. I do what Jan White tells me to.

Enjoy!

[ke6guj]

maybe note that some utility bills are .gov issued, perhaps by a city-owned utility, and they might be acceptable for #2

2. It must be a government issued document. Utility bills, DMV brown change of address cards, and hunting licenses do not apply. The document should be printed or typed and not handwritten.

[VegasND]

Thanks.

Anything that help clarify the morass of firearms law is appreciated.

[Fjold]

In the handgun ID issue; I don't see a car registration listed there. Am I just missing it or is it not valid any longer?

[tenpercentfirearms]

maybe note that some utility bills are .gov issued, perhaps by a city-owned utility, and they might be acceptable for #2

I do state government utilities under "common examples".

In the handgun ID issue; I don't see a car registration listed there. Am I just missing it or is it not valid any longer?

You missed it under #4 there. "CA Vehicle Registration"

Thanks guys.

[CenterX]

Complicatedly clear. Job Well Done!

What about tho other contention item - gun lock.

I have an email from CA DOJ that told me I can walk in with a CA DOJ cable lock and the FFL can verify applicability, note it in the comments section of the on-line dros form as a manner of affidavit. Yet, this has not been widely accepted across the state, i.e. a receipt within 30 days is the trump card - or it must be purchased at the time of the start of paperwork.

Any ideas on a solution?

[tenpercentfirearms]

Complicatedly clear. Job Well Done!

What about tho other contention item - gun lock.

I have an email from CA DOJ that told me I can walk in with a CA DOJ cable lock and the FFL can verify applicability, note it in the comments section of the on-line dros form as a manner of affidavit. Yet, this has not been widely accepted across the state, i.e. a receipt within 30 days is the trump card - or it must be purchased at the time of the start of paperwork.

Any ideas on a solution?

The gun lock is not a complicated issue at our shop. Either your gun comes with one or we give you one. It really is that simple. If you want to help make sure our box of locks never dwindles so low we would have to buy some and sell them again, then bring in your locks you aren't using and donate them to us. Preferably don't do it the same day you are buying a gun that needs a lock.

And that is why I don't need a gun lock cheat sheet. It is too simple. If other dealers are having a hard time with it, I would suggest it might be due to the fact they enjoy selling $10 or $20 cable locks.

[kemasa]

There are a couple of issues in your document.

First, is somewhat questionable as to what is "correct", "DROSes". I think it should just be "DROS".

Property Deed that bears the indvidual's

individual is misspelled.

If you want to be picky, the 4473 requirements should also include "other" firearms instead of just handguns or long guns, or to be clear, for any firearm transaction.

I forgot to mention: thanks Wes for sharing that, it is a nice document.

[tenpercentfirearms]

There are a couple of issues in your document.

First, is somewhat questionable as to what is "correct", "DROSes". I think it should just be "DROS".

Property Deed that bears the indvidual's

individual is misspelled.

If you want to be picky, the 4473 requirements should also include "other" firearms instead of just handguns or long guns, or to be clear, for any firearm transaction.

I forgot to mention: thanks Wes for sharing that, it is a nice document.

I'll fix those when I get a chance. Thanks. This really is more of internal document that I just wanted to share, but clearly it will help to have it look good since it might get passed around like my A&D Excel sheet.

[C.W.M.V.]

Looks good but is this really an issue? Ive never had anyone who had a problem with using their vehicle registration.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Looks good but is this really an issue? Ive never had anyone who had a problem with using their vehicle registration.

Yes it is an issue when you own a gun shop. Not everyone has vehicle registration. When something as easy as vehicle registration is not available, then they will try and bring you all sorts of invalid documents. If you don't train your employees and/or don't have a quick paper you can hand to people, you might end up taking the wrong documents and come audit time, that is not a good thing.

[C.W.M.V.]

That's what I meant, I've never had or heard of a customer who didn't have registration.
Regardless good stuff.

[BANG BANG]

I heard that there is no clear PC that states that the actual address on a CA driver's license and the 2nd proof of residency need to match each other?

As long as they both have CA addresses? I heard from a gun shop that they run into this when a person has a P.O. Box as an address on a DL and a residence address on a car registration for example?

[kemasa]

There are people who are married who their vehicle in only in one person's name, which is the wrong person when it comes to buying a firearm since otherwise I would not know about it :-). Some younger people still have the vehicle in their parents name. The same is true with utility bills. It can be difficult at times to get the needed paperwork.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I heard that there is no clear PC that states that the actual address on a CA driver's license and the 2nd proof of residency need to match each other?

As long as they both have CA addresses? I heard from a gun shop that they run into this when a person has a P.O. Box as an address on a DL and a residence address on a car registration for example?

There is no state requirement that your DL address match your secondary proof of residency as often they don't match.

Federally, if the DL doesn't match, then you need a government issued document that does match your current address.