Question about proof of residency.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The address on my DL does match the address I've listed on my 4473.

Then you only need state documentation. If the BOF says it is ok, then it is OK. Have them call your dealer and let the dealer know.

[Lagduf]

Then you only need state documentation. If the BOF says it is ok, then it is OK. Have them call your dealer and let the dealer know.

It was back in November '09 when BOF told me a Certificate of Title was ok for POR. They've yet to respond to my emailed inquiry of last week if there has been a change in their policy.

I'm in a weird living situation right now, so I'm trying to find an acceptable POR. I'll just try my FFL03 and hope the BOF calls me back. This time I'll remember to write down the name of the person who calls

[Lagduf]

I just realized I didn't have my C&R at the time I bought the weapon in question, so that won't work as I'm being told I need a document that was from the period I purchased the weapon. At that time I used my Certificate of Title because it was the only other document I had available for POR (and I was under the impression I couldn't use my registration.)

I'll just have to go the DMV and get a copy of my car registration from that period (I have a new vehicle now.) Good thing they're closed tomorrow

[bandook]

I think the POR is "whatever the FFL wants to accept"...
I purchased a gun earleir this week and presented two documents to the FFL - Deed to my house and a CA Real Estate Brokers License. The FFL refused to accept the Broker's License (Fine... even I didn't think I could use it until I realized that it was a State Issued License with a 4 yr validity and had my home address on it.)
Ok, they accepted the Deed and that was it...
Fast Forward to this morning and I receive a call that the Deed to my house is 'too old' and so is not valid proof of Residence - they want a 'recent' deed and not an old one 'from 2004'. (WTƒ? I don't go around buying houses every 3 months)
So I had to fax over my recent Mortgage statement - hopefully, that will be sufficient.

Moral of the Story - FFLs may choose not to accept documents listed under the POR requirements (and choose to accept others not on the list). But as I am at the mercy of the FFL, I chose not to argue the point and sent over the Mortgage statement .
Come to think of it, I doubt that my HAM license would have been accepted . (Although that is a federal License as compared to my Broker's license which is issued by the state).

[Veggie]

I used my cable tv bill Late 2009.

[Lagduf]

The FFL I go to said they wouldn't take an FFL03 C&R

I think they're taking what is on the FAQ as examples of acceptable documents as being the only acceptable documents.

The DOJ BOF called me back regarding my question about using a Certificate of Title for POR, however, I'm convinced no one down there can read. They simply stated that they don't understand what my problem was. They told me a car registration was an acceptable document for POR and they don't know why a dealer wouldn't take it. Only I didn't email them about Vehicle Registration for POR I emailed them about Certificate of Title and asked them why they had told me 7 months ago that it was an acceptable document for POR (when it appears now that it isn't.) They gave me a number to call them at which I will do on Monday.

So on Monday I'll also just have to pick up a copy of my vehicle registration from that time period so I can square away the paperwork with the FFL.

This is particularly frustrating for me because at the time I bought the weapon in question I had a living situation where the only POR I could provide was automobile related (I should have used the registration in the first place, but I thought you had to use the title!) and I don't own that vehicle anymore!

[ugimports]

It was back in November '09 when BOF told me a Certificate of Title was ok for POR. They've yet to respond to my emailed inquiry of last week if there has been a change in their policy.

I'm in a weird living situation right now, so I'm trying to find an acceptable POR. I'll just try my FFL03 and hope the BOF calls me back. This time I'll remember to write down the name of the person who calls

Here's the reason I think Certificate of Title may be ok.. and realize I think there's 2 documents that people consider the title. There's the "pink slip" and there's another document labeled Certificate of Title that indeed has an expiration date on it.

I received a Certificate of Title from a customer (satisfied feds) and the reason I believed it satisfied state requirements was that:

a) It had an issue date of 3/X/2010
b) It listed a registration expiration date (on the same document) of 6/X/2010.

So if your Certificate of Title has both those dates on it then I would believe it falls under the criteria that the state requires of having dates of validity. However, if your title document being referred to is the "Pink Slip" then I'm not sure if it looks the same and if there would be a valid date range on it.

In any case, I'll find out when I get audited whether or not the state is actually ok with the documentation, but at least I can articulate to them why I thought it was valid.

[ke6guj]

The FFL I go to said they wouldn't take an FFL03 C&R

I think they're taking what is on the FAQ as examples of acceptable documents as being the only acceptable documents.

in that case, call CADOJ while you are at the store. I've had FFLs say that they don't accept an 03FFL. A quick call to CADOJ confirmed that an 03FFL is acceptable, and then I handed the phone to the FFL to have CADOJ explain it to the dealer.

The DOJ BOF called me back regarding my question about using a Certificate of Title for POR, however, I'm convinced no one down there can read. They simply stated that they don't understand what my problem was. They told me a car registration was an acceptable document for POR and they don't know why a dealer wouldn't take it. Only I didn't email them about Vehicle Registration for POR I emailed them about Certificate of Title and asked them why they had told me 7 months ago that it was an acceptable document for POR (when it appears now that it isn't.) They gave me a number to call them at which I will do on Monday.

So on Monday I'll also just have to pick up a copy of my vehicle registration from that time period so I can square away the paperwork with the FFL.

This is particularly frustrating for me because at the time I bought the weapon in question I had a living situation where the only POR I could provide was automobile related (I should have used the registration in the first place, but I thought you had to use the title!) and I don't own that vehicle anymore!

OK, just so I am up to speed. 7 months ago, you provided "POR" to the dealer to purchase the firearm, and now the dealer says that your POR is not acceptable? If so, provide what you can, and then be done with it. If you don't have POR, then you don't have POR. AFAIK, they can't make you return the firearm and you didn't break the law by failing to provide proper POR. It would be on the dealer. Yes, it could be considered a dick move to purposely hang the dealer out if you could provide proper POR so that they can fix their records, but if you can't, you can't make them majically appear.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Moral of the Story - FFLs may choose not to accept documents listed under the POR requirements (and choose to accept others not on the list). But as I am at the mercy of the FFL, I chose not to argue the point and sent over the Mortgage statement .
Come to think of it, I doubt that my HAM license would have been accepted . (Although that is a federal License as compared to my Broker's license which is issued by the state).

What responsibility do you have to educate FFLs who make your life more difficult than it should be? Should you be surprised they keep on doing stupid things that make your life harder when no one holds them accountable? Try educating the FFL and if that fails, vote with your wallet and let them know about it too.

OK, just so I am up to speed. 7 months ago, you provided "POR" to the dealer to purchase the firearm, and now the dealer says that your POR is not acceptable? If so, provide what you can, and then be done with it. If you don't have POR, then you don't have POR. AFAIK, they can't make you return the firearm and you didn't break the law by failing to provide proper POR. It would be on the dealer. Yes, it could be considered a dick move to purposely hang the dealer out if you could provide proper POR so that they can fix their records, but if you can't, you can't make them majically appear.

I kind of agree. You shouldn't kill yourself trying to fix something that the dealer screwed up on. The dealer might have to accept they screwed up and they ought to just leave the title and see if the auditor even catches it. The dealer is expecting a lot from a customer that they failed to take care of 7 months ago.

If it were me, I would just take the title, put the DROS in its order, and forget about it. The odds of the DOJ auditor going nuts over it are slim.

[bandook]

What responsibility do you have to educate FFLs who make your life more difficult than it should be? Should you be surprised they keep on doing stupid things that make your life harder when no one holds them accountable? Try educating the FFL and if that fails, vote with your wallet and let them know about it too.
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When the FFL requires additional documentation 2 days after the Private Party Transaction has taken place (i.e. seller has taken my money and gone home), one coughs up that documentation...

However, I agree with the general gist of your message. If I can help it, I will not be using this particular FFL in the future. (and I'll let them know about this AFTER I get my firearm sprung from the 10-day jail and secured in the trunk of my car).