Question about proof of residency.

[Noah3683]

Was looking into a ppt for a handgun. A local ffl told me I would need another form for proof of residency. Dl has my po box which is the only way we can receive mail in my community, vehicle registration has my physical street address on it. I was told as of Jan. 2009 this wasn't sufficient, that because my DL had po box, it didn't qualify and my Registration was technically 1st proof of residency? Well, I purchased both my oll's and my xd45, all of which were Aug or later of 2009. Using just these 2 documents. Can somebody please clarify this for me?

[ke6guj]

read this, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf , which covers CA law, and this, http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf , which covers federal law.

So, with your registration showing your physical address, you are fine per CA regulations, but federally, I don;t know if a registration issued by the state is good enough. Read the instructions in 20.b. I think htat the registration would be acceptable.

The FFL has it slightly wrong in that you don't need to show 2 proofs of residency to buy a handgun. You only have to show one POR but a CA ID/DL is not POR.

[dirtyJ]

The vehicle registration with your proper address satisfies the Fed level of Identification, and is considered "used" for the CA POR requirement, which means you need another form of POR, utility bill, etc. Technically, the POR should probably have the same address as your ID, but during our audit DOJ didn't say anything about it.

[Noah3683]

The vehicle registration with your proper address satisfies the Fed level of Identification, and is considered "used" for the CA POR requirement, which means you need another form of POR, utility bill, etc. Technically, the POR should probably have the same address as your ID, but during our audit DOJ didn't say anything about it.

hmm that's interesting. Just curious why 3 different dealers processed that way with no issues?

[dirtyJ]

Some don't know, some don't care, every dealer is different, even though the rules are the same for all.

[Noah3683]

Oh gee I guess i better go back to one of those 3 that either didn't know, or didn't care. The property and utilities are in my dad's name. He didn't want to change them out because of the way they do the stupid deposits. All I have is a lease agreement, and it's really not even an official one. Its just something he had typed up on the computer that we all signed.

[ke6guj]

The vehicle registration with your proper address satisfies the Fed level of Identification, and is considered "used" for the CA POR requirement, which means you need another form of POR, utility bill, etc.

I've never heard this "can't use one piece of POR to satisfy both CA and federal regs" explanation. Do you have a cite for that? That would be like saying that you have to sell a customer 2 handgun locks, one to comply with state law and another to comply with federal law.

Technically, the POR should probably have the same address as your ID, but during our audit DOJ didn't say anything about it.

The POR must match your your ID, OR the address you list on the DROS/4473. If you are not currently living at the address stated on your ID, you don't list that as the address on your DROS/4473.

The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

[halifax]

I've never heard this "can't use one piece of POR to satisfy both CA and federal regs" explanation. Do you have a cite for that? That would be like saying that you have to sell a customer 2 handgun locks, one to comply with state law and another to comply with federal law.
The POR must match your your ID, OR the address you list on the DROS/4473. If you are not currently living at the address stated on your ID, you don't list that as the address on your DROS/4473.

WOW. That is the exact analogy that came to mind when I read that post.

I guess I'm in deep dodo because I have always accepted ATF Alt Docs for CA POR.

[Capt. Speirs]

I just turned away a customer that still lived at home with his parnets and has no POR because everything, including the car is in his parents name. Now what? All he had with him was a US Passport, which won't work.

[Noah3683]

I just turned away a customer that still lived at home with his parnets and has no POR because everything, including the car is in his parents name. Now what? All he had with him was a US Passport, which won't work.

Well, Not that i have huge room to talk other than it's just my parents' house. they don't live here. But tell him to man up and buy his own damn wheels at the least. I moved in here because it was cheaper and he kept having problems with tenants.

[Noah3683]

I've never heard this "can't use one piece of POR to satisfy both CA and federal regs" explanation. Do you have a cite for that? That would be like saying that you have to sell a customer 2 handgun locks, one to comply with state law and another to comply with federal law.

The POR must match your your ID, OR the address you list on the DROS/4473. If you are not currently living at the address stated on your ID, you don't list that as the address on your DROS/4473.

So basically my other transactions were good, and this guy is a numbnut so to speak? It was the other party's choice for ffl, not mine. Oh well I guess I will move on to something else instead.

[halifax]

I just turned away a customer that still lived at home with his parnets and has no POR because everything, including the car is in his parents name. Now what? All he had with him was a US Passport, which won't work.

Have him get a standard lease agreement from an office supply store. He and his parents must fill it out.

[Capt. Speirs]

Well, Not that i have huge room to talk other than it's just my parents' house. they don't live here. But tell him to man up and buy his own damn wheels at the least. I moved in here because it was cheaper and he kept having problems with tenants.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The vehicle registration with your proper address satisfies the Fed level of Identification, and is considered "used" for the CA POR requirement, which means you need another form of POR, utility bill, etc. Technically, the POR should probably have the same address as your ID, but during our audit DOJ didn't say anything about it.

LOL. Man it is funny what people come up with (to dirtyJ's credit, someone probably told him this so it probably wasn't his idea). This is totally false. You can use any documents across any area. All that matters is you satisfy the requirements. "Used"! LOL.

For the feds, if your DL doesn't match your 4473, you need a government issued document. Your registration is a government issued document.

For the state, you need a secondary form of residency if you buy a handgun. Your registration qualifies.

You are good to go.

[Capt. Speirs]

LOL. Man it is funny what people come up with (to dirtyJ's credit, someone probably told him this so it probably wasn't his idea). This is totally false. You can use any documents across any area. All that matters is you satisfy the requirements. "Used"! LOL.

For the feds, if your DL doesn't match your 4473, you need a government issued document. Your registration is a government issued document.

For the state, you need a secondary form of residency if you buy a handgun. Your registration qualifies.

You are good to go.

Not rifle?