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  • #31
    Soldier415
    Calguns Addict
    • Feb 2007
    • 9537

    Originally posted by saigon1965
    Was that Dan showing off again -
    Mine doesn't have a compensator, but it does have an OD green frame. Both Joe and Ethan have compensated 1911s...
    Originally posted by harmoniums
    Absolutely, I've refused sale before.
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    Do not get your legal advice from Forest Rangers or Sheriffs: that's like getting medical advice from your plumber.

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    • #32
      CHS
      Moderator Emeritus
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2008
      • 11338

      It's funny, we've had MULTIPLE cops from MULTIPLE departments ask us straight out why we don't CCW to/from work. When we mention that we can't get a CCW, or aren't interested in applying, they say "And? Why don't you CCW to/from work again?". They've basically given us blanket permission to do so.

      Yes, to do so would be illegal, and no we don't. But still, I've always thought that was funny.

      As to me... IWB FTMFW!
      Please read the Calguns Wiki
      Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
      --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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      • #33
        Ed_in_Sac
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 962

        So?

        Why would you not allow them to carry??? Banks have armed guards, gun stores should too. Would suppose that the gun store owner/employee is a lot better trained than a most security guards (no offense meant).

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        • #34
          AJAX22
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2006
          • 14980

          Originally posted by johnthomas
          There was a recent post about a gun shop in San Jose that was being robbed of a gun and ammo. Turned out bad for the bad guy. The incident happened in the early 90's but it was refreshing to read about it and the guts people find when it is truly needed. Anyone have a link? The OP really should read it.
          Are you talking about the guy Quarterbore popped? the one with the 9mm AR ?
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          • #35
            CAL.BAR
            CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
            • Nov 2007
            • 5632

            Originally posted by choprzrul
            Gunshops with LOC employees are small enclaves of pure 2A freedom. I can only hope that this freedoms spread to all of society.

            I expect to see LOC and it makes me wonder what they are thinking when I don't see LOC.
            Actually gunshops and ranges very accurately reflect the real world out side. "They" can carry loaded and "I" can't. No, I don't like seeing ANYONE carry a loaded firearm when I can't. Yes it puts me at a huge disadvantage and makes me feel like a 2nd class citizen. But. . . it's THEIR private property and "they" get to make the rules.

            Though I do find it interesting that the same gunshops and ranges which purport to want to see "everyone" being able to carry and carry loaded and concealed (b/c we're so responsible, trust worthy and safe) but then scream bloody murder if we, god forbid, walk into their range lobby or the gunshop with a gun not locked up in a case. WTF? If you want "me" (the great unwashed) to be able to carry loaded and concealed on the street and in your neighborhoods, then why can't we start expressing our 2A freedoms in YOUR gunshop or YOUR shooting range lobby?

            In the end, all of us just want to be able to be armed and have the "other" guy not.

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            • #36
              Spyduh
              Senior Member
              • May 2008
              • 870

              Originally posted by bdsmchs
              It's funny, we've had MULTIPLE cops from MULTIPLE departments ask us straight out why we don't CCW to/from work. When we mention that we can't get a CCW, or aren't interested in applying, they say "And? Why don't you CCW to/from work again?". They've basically given us blanket permission to do so.

              Yes, to do so would be illegal, and no we don't. But still, I've always thought that was funny.

              As to me... IWB FTMFW!
              I would think that working at a gun store would be a "good cause" reason for a "may issue" ccw. But then again, no one knows the subjective reasonings why sheriffs/chiefs approve "good cause" ccw's. There definitely needs to be ccw reform in CA. All we can do is wait...



              =(
              Don't you know the rule?? Never open the safe in front of the wife!!!

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              • #37
                SixPointEight
                Veteran Member
                • May 2009
                • 3788

                Originally posted by Spyduh
                I would think that working at a gun store would be a "good cause" reason for a "may issue" ccw. But then again, no one knows the subjective reasonings why sheriffs/chiefs approve "good cause" ccw's. There definitely needs to be ccw reform in CA. All we can do is wait...



                =(
                And FIGHT! There's a sheriffs election coming up.

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                • #38
                  sniper5
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 723

                  Anybody who is bothered by people carrying around loaded weapons can stay away from gun shops and shooting ranges.
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                  • #39
                    CHS
                    Moderator Emeritus
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 11338

                    Originally posted by Spyduh
                    I would think that working at a gun store would be a "good cause" reason for a "may issue" ccw. But then again, no one knows the subjective reasonings why sheriffs/chiefs approve "good cause" ccw's. There definitely needs to be ccw reform in CA. All we can do is wait...
                    What angers me is that EVERY single Orange County CCW I've seen lately has stipulations on the back that they are for work-related tasks ONLY.

                    Basically what that's saying is that my life is only good enough to protect while I'm going to and from work. But it's not worth peanuts on the weekends.

                    Thanks Hutchens.
                    Please read the Calguns Wiki
                    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                    --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                    • #40
                      Gryff
                      CGSSA Coordinator
                      • May 2006
                      • 12686

                      I'm for it.
                      My friends and family disavow all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions.

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                      • #41
                        JagerTroop
                        Veteran Member
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 3922

                        Originally posted by VictorFranko
                        and the ones you don't see carrying are most likely carrying concealed.
                        I am not sure what opinion you are looking for.
                        Do I feel more safe that a well armed gun shop is less likely to get robbed while I am there? Yes.
                        Does it bother me to see them open carry? No.
                        Should gun shop personnel be allowed to carry? Absolutely.
                        +1

                        and to add... Everyone that's not already carrying, should be allowed to. Gangbangers and thugs are carrying already... why not the good people of this state/country?
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                        • #42
                          IrishPirate
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6390

                          anyone who had a problem with it is probably thinking of doing something bad.....

                          every business owner, employee, and customer should be allowed to carry a loaded firearm. perhaps we wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate if everyone was carrying guns.....afterall, who wants to fire the guy that can fire back????
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                          • #43
                            IrishPirate
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6390

                            Originally posted by garandguy10
                            I seem to recall that a few years ago, a couple of Mexican Gangbangers walked into a gunstore in Modesto where the employees open carried. The gangbangers walked in armed, and announced their intentions to rob the gunstore. The gangbangers left the store in body bags if I remember correctly.
                            waste of a body bag if you ask me.....feed them to the California Condors so they can grow and multiply, then they wont be on the ESL and we can hunt with lead again, then bill their families for the transportation cost of the bodies. Everyone wins.
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                            Most civilization is based on cowardice. It's so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. You water down the standards which would lead to bravery. You restrain the will. You regulate the appetites. You fence in the horizons. You make a law for every movement. You deny the existence of chaos. You teach even the children to breathe slowly. You tame.
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                            • #44
                              THE 0NE
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 590

                              we carry at the shop people have said the feel safer that we do when they are here and all of my guys have taken classes for holster carrying.

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                              • #45
                                Cokebottle
                                Seņor Member
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 32373

                                Originally posted by bdsmchs
                                What angers me is that EVERY single Orange County CCW I've seen lately has stipulations on the back that they are for work-related tasks ONLY.

                                Basically what that's saying is that my life is only good enough to protect while I'm going to and from work. But it's not worth peanuts on the weekends.

                                Thanks Hutchens.
                                So keep your blackberry or a notebook computer with you.
                                Posting on Calguns is work related... you aren't a 9-5er... you're on duty 24/7!

                                What really sucks is I could get away with that in my line of work (even when I'm not on call, if I'm within 2 hours of work I would be expected to go directly in)... except for the fact that even with a CCW, I can't carry while on duty. They aren't crazy about pepper spray, but they aren't going to push the issue and tell me I can't carry it.
                                - Rich

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