BATF no longer accepting Safe Afft.

[jmlivingston]

A lot of the factory locks don't meet the CA DoJ requrements.The DoJ of course, has a roster of "Approved Firearms Safety Devices" and has certified laboratories for testing and approving such to be added to the roster.

So here in CA you basically have to meet btoh the DoJ and the ATF requirements. I don't know if any dealers do this or not, but theoretically you should be able to use a safe affidavit to meet the DoJ requirement and take a non-rostered lock to meet the ATF requirement. They non-rostered lock may not be sold to you however, that is against CA law.

12088.15. (a) No person shall keep for commercial sale, offer, or expose for commercial sale, or commercially sell any firearms safety device that is not listed on the roster maintained pursuant to subdivision (d) of Section 12088, or that does not comply with the standards for firearms safety devices adopted pursuant to Section 12088.2.

[nickvig]

A lot of the factory locks don't meet the CA DoJ requrements.The DoJ of course, has a roster of "Approved Firearms Safety Devices" and has certified laboratories for testing and approving such to be added to the roster.

So here in CA you basically have to meet btoh the DoJ and the ATF requirements. I don't know if any dealers do this or not, but theoretically you should be able to use a safe affidavit to meet the DoJ requirement and take a non-rostered lock to meet the ATF requirement. They non-rostered lock may not be sold to you however, that is against CA law.

In my most recent transactions, both handguns came with locks that have a piece of paper that says, "Meets CA DOJ requirements for firearms safety devices." So the question is, should I have had to purchase a lock during these FTF PPT's when the gun came with a lock that met the requirement?

[halifax]

In my most recent transactions, both handguns came with locks that have a piece of paper that says, "Meets CA DOJ requirements for firearms safety devices." So the question is, should I have had to purchase a lock during these FTF PPT's when the gun came with a lock that met the requirement?

No, you shouldn't have to but some dealers either can't read or believe the law requires that they sell you one.

[badhabit90]

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I just went down to the police station ....... They gave me a 50lb box of gun locks from the Project Childsafe thingie. "here, let us know if you need more". OK.

the whole lock thing is a confusing issue. i STILL have two boxes of locks from Project Childsafe when i worked at a local gun shop. anyone need a lock??? free...i dont see why, under the current confusion, you couldnt bring in one of these locks in the package, open it, secure the pistol, and your good to go???

[SDProtection]

Ok guys. I guess I still fit the newb profile so I am going to ask the stupid question: If a new pistol is sold with a lock (assume is says CA approved) and I write down the make, model, etc of the lock. Do I STILL need to have the client sign the safe affidavit stating they have a safe or lockbox for either CA or ATF?

[kemasa]

The safe affidavit is instead of a lock and it does not meet the claimed requirements of the Feds. So, if you have a lock which is CA certified, then that is all you need. It is best to document what it is.

[CSACANNONEER]

To the OP,

BATF&E has NEVER accepted or required a safe affidavet. So, your DOJ agent obviously doesn't know squat about Federal laws which pertain to firearms.

Ok guys. I guess I still fit the newb profile so I am going to ask the stupid question: If a new pistol is sold with a lock (assume is says CA approved) and I write down the make, model, etc of the lock. Do I STILL need to have the client sign the safe affidavit stating they have a safe or lockbox for either CA or ATF?

Ca law clearly states that the buyer must sign a safe affidavet or buy a lock within 30 days before taking possession of a firearm. So, if it's your contention that the lock is part of the sale, you should be good to go. I would put the lock on the receipt just to cover all asses concerned though.

[SDProtection]

The safe affidavit is instead of a lock and it does not meet the claimed requirements of the Feds. So, if you have a lock which is CA certified, then that is all you need. It is best to document what it is.

Thanks, that was/is how i have been doing business. I was starting to think that I had really confused myself and getting very nervous!

You gotta love Kalifornia!

[tenpercentfirearms]

I keep my entire customer records 4473, receipt, DROS and all together. So the ATF can look at the DROS form to see which lock was included with the purchase.

Go to your local PD and see if they have any Project Childsafe locks left. I got like 800 of them from Taft PD. I haven't sold a lock in two years.

When I am done with those, I will start a trade in program. A customer cannot bring in a lock and use it for their transaction unless they have a receipt within the last 30 days. No problem. They will bring me in a Project Childsafe GL710 NSSF and simply give it to me. Hey thanks! I will be sure they have a DAC CL551 to go along with their purchase. Probably the next time they come in, they will give me a DAC CL551. I will give them a Project Childsafe GL710 to go along with their purchase.

Nothing prohibits customers from simply giving me locks as long as it is not related to their current transaction.