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  • #91
    benjamin101677
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2012
    • 1056

    Originally posted by taperxz
    Nah, here?s the deal, MAYBE when two locals that come in or regular customers, it?s not a big deal. However if you facilitate a Calguns sale (using CGN as an example only because they have advertising here) you?ll get one guy living in NorCal and another in Cental Cal meeting at an FFL in the middle. They use us, cry about a possible lock and buy nothing, plus we never see them again.

    I?d say 65% of PPTs spend nothing or never come back. It?s not even anything we?ve done. It?s just that we aren?t local to them. This isn?t complaining, it?s just the facts. According to bookkeeping, we spend $37 to accommodate a PPT. Even two boxes of ammo doesn?t put us in the black.
    Your looking at this all wrong; you have to have a employee on staff for a shift for let's say hours of 10am to 6pm no matter the number of sales your store makes. So that employee is costing your store money no matter what. Maybe during the pandemic when the federal government was giving money away there may have been lines all day long to buy guns; but now with the tightening economy no way that your clerk doesn't have idle time. I go to many guns shops and they are all slow on customers. So your store is losing money on that employee no matter what, a PPT transfer over the course of shift a week, etc. can off set some of that idle time. So instead of having total in the red for those hours of idle time you can get some of those fees back with ppt transfer. Which shouldn't take anymore than 20-30 minutes to complete.

    How many customers do you have come in and window shop? Look at items tie a salesperson up for 15-20 minutes and buy nothing? Also your argument about spending the time on a ppt transfer and than ammo purchase not off setting the costs of the employee is not a strong argument. As the case your making is that if a window shopper comes in looks at 4 guns spending 30 minutes with a salesperson and than only buys 2 boxes of ammo your in the red again for that sales person salary.

    I have a small business and wish my field had things like mandated ppt transfers. Your having 2 people come into your store; that are into guns, with at least 1 person normally receiving money. You have the customer in the store this is the time that if you have reasonable priced items, consignment guns, cases, holsters, lights, knives, etc. that sales can be made.

    Normally my experience in dealing with FFL's for ppt transfers the ones that are charging more than the legal amount; usually have poor customer service, over priced guns and other over priced items in the store. It was fine to have poor customer service, over priced items, charge more than the legal ppt transfer amounts during the pandemic when stores were packed and money was being spent. But; as the economy worsens the stores that do ppt according to law and have good customer service will probably be the ones that last.

    My own experience I used to buy guns from Breco Firearms in Clovis, but they turned away ppt transfer during pandemic, put in place stupid ppt transfer hours, etc. as I result I don't spend money with them anymore. I have moved to Zak's in Madera. Between, ammo, gun purchases, and other stuff I spend a easy $10,000 a year. That would have still been with Breco Firearms had they not got crazy over ppt transfers

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    • #92
      CheapBloke
      Banned
      • Feb 2019
      • 3115

      Cobra Tactical charges unlawful extra fees and charges. Got it. Lets not get the original message of thread buried by people who wants FFLs to charge these fees and extra 10% for the big guy (shop owner.)

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      • #93
        G-forceJunkie
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2010
        • 6446

        It was $15.50 or $16 in the mid 90's + the $10

        Originally posted by Tankhatch

        What was the cost of a FFL transfer in the late 1980's,,,,, $35 bucks ?????

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        • #94
          taperxz
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2010
          • 19395

          Originally posted by benjamin101677
          Your looking at this all wrong; you have to have a employee on staff for a shift for let's say hours of 10am to 6pm no matter the number of sales your store makes. So that employee is costing your store money no matter what. Maybe during the pandemic when the federal government was giving money away there may have been lines all day long to buy guns; but now with the tightening economy no way that your clerk doesn't have idle time. I go to many guns shops and they are all slow on customers. So your store is losing money on that employee no matter what, a PPT transfer over the course of shift a week, etc. can off set some of that idle time. So instead of having total in the red for those hours of idle time you can get some of those fees back with ppt transfer. Which shouldn't take anymore than 20-30 minutes to complete.

          How many customers do you have come in and window shop? Look at items tie a salesperson up for 15-20 minutes and buy nothing? Also your argument about spending the time on a ppt transfer and than ammo purchase not off setting the costs of the employee is not a strong argument. As the case your making is that if a window shopper comes in looks at 4 guns spending 30 minutes with a salesperson and than only buys 2 boxes of ammo your in the red again for that sales person salary.

          I have a small business and wish my field had things like mandated ppt transfers. Your having 2 people come into your store; that are into guns, with at least 1 person normally receiving money. You have the customer in the store this is the time that if you have reasonable priced items, consignment guns, cases, holsters, lights, knives, etc. that sales can be made.

          Normally my experience in dealing with FFL's for ppt transfers the ones that are charging more than the legal amount; usually have poor customer service, over priced guns and other over priced items in the store. It was fine to have poor customer service, over priced items, charge more than the legal ppt transfer amounts during the pandemic when stores were packed and money was being spent. But; as the economy worsens the stores that do ppt according to law and have good customer service will probably be the ones that last.

          My own experience I used to buy guns from Breco Firearms in Clovis, but they turned away ppt transfer during pandemic, put in place stupid ppt transfer hours, etc. as I result I don't spend money with them anymore. I have moved to Zak's in Madera. Between, ammo, gun purchases, and other stuff I spend a easy $10,000 a year. That would have still been with Breco Firearms had they not got crazy over ppt transfers
          I'm not looking at anything wrong. You may have moved onto another shop but you're missing the part where while we do a PPT, we also lose customers who can't wait any longer and leave the store without buying something because we are tied up doing a PPT. So, either way, the PPT scheme is still hurting business either way. A loss is a loss no matter how you spin it.

          To reiterate, we do PPT's all the time with no extra charges. (not all of our competitors do) I'm still going to point out what impact it does have on CA guns stores.

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