M1919A4 - still ok to DROS

[CAL.BAR]

I think that you are mis-reading the statute provision. Reading the first line it mentions the shroud that encircles the barrel partially or completely. The second part about allowing the shooter to fire the weapon and grasp the barrel is not rendered moot because it is HARD (but not impossible) to shoot the A4. We all well know about Sgt.Basilon's exact use of the weapon in that way.

There is no question that the A4 CAN be fired from the hip and the shroud over the barrel WILL certainly help keep the user from burning his had while grasping the weapon. Granted it won't help for long however, the law doesn't say the shroud has to be terribly effective or even allow for prolonged shooting of the gun. I would NOT risk a felony on the argument that "well" the shroud on the 1919a4 isn't perfect for prolonged use of the weapon".

[CAL.BAR]

Hi everyone. Curious to know if there's been any movement on the part of California to open a registration period?

Any insights as to how we proceed?

Thanks in advance.

Not that I know of. I went onto my CFARS account and tried to register my 1919a4, but found no way to do it. I put in an inquiry on the CFARS account, but have not yet received a response.

[SkyHawk]

Thank you for the source Tankhatch.

Unfortunately I don't think that is going to solve the issue at hand. Element "J" in the law is the catch:



Sounds like no one has any real idea what we should do?

Once you put a stock on, it is no longer Title 1 "other", and so rifle laws apply. And that means "magazine outside pistol grip" is irrelevant. If magazine outside pistol grip was a AW feature for rifles, we would not have M1 carbines, M1A, Ruger PCC, Mini 14 etc...

Numrich also has A6 stocks, that is where I got mine for $82, looks like they went up a few bucks.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/29990

Apex has them cheaper

https://www.apexgunparts.com/1919a4-shoulder-stock-israeli-gd.html

https://www.apexgunparts.com/browning-1919a6-stock-clamp-steel-vg.html

https://www.apexgunparts.com/browning-1919a6-stock-clamp-steel-nos.html

[Experimentalist]

Once you put a stock on, it is no longer Title 1 "other", and so rifle laws apply. And that means "magazine outside pistol grip" is irrelevant. If magazine outside pistol grip was a AW feature for rifles, we would not have M1 carbines, M1A, Ruger PCC, Mini 14 etc...

Thanks for the information, this is helpful.

I worry a bit about the status of the firearm as originally DROSed. At first blush the addition of a stock seems to be a flimsy fig leaf against AW status given the fact it was DROSed as something other than a rifle.

But... I appreciate a firearm can change legal status with modifications. For example a rifle may be transformed into a short barrel rifle with a simple cut of the barrel. And there are plenty of legal precedents for people prosecuted for illegal modifications.

It seems reasonable that modification into a rifle through addition of a stock should have the effect you describe.

Editing to ask: The fact of the tripod mount shouldn't be an issue, correct? There is no mention of "tripod mounts" in AW features of course, and the fact if it being able to mount on a tripod does not affect rifle status. I'm just thinking out loud to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. I think I've convinced myself that it's not an issue.

Thanks again, much appreciated.

[SkyHawk]

Thanks for the information, this is helpful.

I worry a bit about the status of the firearm as originally DROSed. At first blush the addition of a stock seems to be a flimsy fig leaf against AW status given the fact it was DROSed as something other than a rifle.


Editing to ask: The fact of the tripod mount shouldn't be an issue, correct? There is no mention of "tripod mounts" in AW features of course, and the fact if it being able to mount on a tripod does not affect rifle status. I'm just thinking out loud to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. I think I've convinced myself that it's not an issue.

I don't think the tripod or carry handle would make a difference for CA laws. They would only matter to someone doing a correct purist conversion from A4 to A6.

And generally, these were not DROSd as something "other than a rifle". Mine was DROSd as a rifle in 2018, because there was no "other" option at that time. So I have a rifle DROS, and a buttstock attached.

I have not decided what I am going to do. I may get an experienced firearms attorney involved and file AW reg under protest, because the 1919A4 configuration does not meet criteria for the law in fact or in spirit (that is just my opinion). Then see how DOJ responds...

[taperxz]

"other" will be available in the DROS system in a couple weeks.

I can't tell you how i know this or why. It will be there.

[ugimports]

"other" will be available in the DROS system in a couple weeks.

I can't tell you how i know this or why. It will be there.

I'll believe it when I see it

[taperxz]

I'll believe it when I see it

[Frankie_norcal]

Any updates on registration. I just looked on cfars and there is not option for other yet!

[ugimports]

Any updates on registration. I just looked on cfars and there is not option for other yet!

^^ I think I forgot that last time..

[taperxz]

I'll believe it when I see it

[ugimports]

It's not 10/1 yet

[taperxz]

It's not 10/1 yet

DETAILS DETAILS. DOJ should be tossing that bulletin and sending a more correct one too.

[franklinarmory]

I have information that it was posted yesterday.

[Frankie_norcal]

Well I just looked. I did not see anything new. Not even sure I am looking in the right area.
There is no, "other" to select from on the list.
So what do yall think about simply removing the barrel jacket from the trunion. If registration is not possible