M1919A4 - still ok to DROS

[Experimentalist]

I should have elaborated, this is for the 1919A4 variant that was transferred as something other than a rifle.

I need to dig up my old registration papers, but I believe mine was transferred that way. In that case (my understanding) is that more assault weapon features may apply, including the AW handgun feature of accepting ammunition outside of the handgrip.

I am not a lawyer, just a shmuck trying hard to stay legal. I thought this would be an authoritative place to ask, hope I'm not stirring things up unnecessarily.

[CSACANNONEER]

Where do you see that? Are you referring to a handgun or a rifle?

(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

[Experimentalist]

Thank you CSACannoneer! I was looking you up to chase down that legal quote, and saw you were replying to this very thread!

[CSACANNONEER]

So, let's design a "pistol grip" that protrudes below the action and works as a loading chute.

[CSACANNONEER]

Thank you CSACannoneer! I was looking you up to chase down that legal quote, and saw you were replying to this very thread!

Don't thank me, I wish we were both wrong.

[ugimports]

(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

Fortunately, for my customer he had the A6 version and it was DROSd as a rifle.

[CSACANNONEER]

Fortunately, for my customer he had the A6 version and it was DROSd as a rifle.

I would suggest to him that he keep the stock on at all times or, he's looking at a possible AW charge/conviction.

[ugimports]

I would suggest to him that he keep the stock on at all times or, he's looking at a possible AW charge/conviction.

No different then the everyday customer purchasing a stripped lower and building it incorrectly. Or a customer that buys a featureless rifle and replaces the grip with an actual pistol grip, etc.. Or a customer that purchases a complete lower...maybe they'll install rimfire..maybe not. Hopefully, they know what they are doing.

I make the assumption that the customers will do what they need to understand and comply with the laws or consult their attorney if needed.

[SkyHawk]

Thanks for the information everyone.

Apologies if I'm posting in the wrong thread, but it appears that the capacity to accept the ammunition from a position outside the handgrip may in itself be a feature that triggers assault weapon status.

Any insights here?

Thanks.

There is no "pistol grip" (the actual words used in the law) on a 1919.

A 1919 is a crew served, mounted weapon

Show me the person who can hold a 1919 like a pistol

But seriously, CA AW law defines a pistol grip for AW purposes. A CA Attorney General opined in a written letter that a 1919 does not have one

[Experimentalist]

Hi Skyhawk

I don't think anyone here is worried about the pistol grip. Though the information you post here is very useful, thank you for that.

Instead, we're worried about the fact that the 1919A4 variant was normally transferred as a centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun.

As CSACANNONEER writes:

30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
....
(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(H) A second handgrip.
(I) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

So for those of us with the A4 variant that was transferred as a centerfire firearm not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that last one is an issue. Likely triggering assault weapon status.

[PaperTarget]

...
I need to dig up my old registration papers, but I believe mine was transferred that way. ...

If someone doesn't have a copy of a pre-2014 DROS and can't remember the dealer, where would they get the info on whether it was transferred as a rifle or other?

[CSACANNONEER]

If someone doesn't have a copy of a pre-2014 DROS and can't remember the dealer, where would they get the info on whether it was transferred as a rifle or other?

There are only TWO options on a DROS form. It was either transferred as a handgun or it was transferred as a long gun.

[Experimentalist]

Any movement on this from CA?

Hi everyone. Curious to know if there's been any movement on the part of California to open a registration period?

Any insights as to how we proceed?

Thanks in advance.

[Tankhatch]

APEX gun parts, has the 1919a6 stocks

[Experimentalist]

APEX gun parts, has the 1919a6 stocks

Thank you for the source Tankhatch.

Unfortunately I don't think that is going to solve the issue at hand. Element "J" in the law is the catch:

(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

Sounds like no one has any real idea what we should do?