Franklin Armory Title 1

[RoundEye]

I guess this is a Title 1 Other.

https://www.recoilweb.com/franklin-armory-releases-title-1-firearm-for-california-and-other-gun-oppressed-states-153755.html

[BONECUTTER]

A title 1 is not NFA....thats just an "Other" like a mossberg cruiser.

[RoundEye]

A title 1 is not NFA....thats just an "Other" like a mossberg cruiser.

Okay, I updated my post.

But I thought those shorties like the Cruiser and Serbu were registered in CA through the old SSE process. How would you DROS one of these things?

[ugimports]

Okay, I updated my post.



But I thought those shorties like the Cruiser and Serbu were registered in CA through the old SSE process. How would you DROS one of these things?

Other 4473
Long arm DROS?

Dunno...

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[BONECUTTER]

But I thought those shorties like the Cruiser and Serbu were registered in CA through the old SSE process. How would you DROS one of these things?

That's the problem.
Franklin is saying: "Not a Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun" so no AW laws can apply.

DROS system says Pick "Rifle, Pistol, or Shotgun" so AW laws would apply.

This has been thought of before.... going back 10 plus years.

[RoundEye]

That's the problem.
Franklin is saying: "Not a Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun" so no AW laws can apply.

DROS system says Pick "Rifle, Pistol, or Shotgun" so AW laws would apply.

This has been thought of before.... going back 10 plus years.

Stripped receiver then I guess...

[BONECUTTER]

Okay, I updated my post.

But I thought those shorties like the Cruiser and Serbu were registered in CA through the old SSE process. How would you DROS one of these things?

Stripped receiver then I guess...

Stripped receivers you still need to select Rifle/Shotgun.... so no go.

[Quiet]

Under Federal laws/regulations...

It is a Title 1 Other.


Under CA laws/regulations...

There are no "other".

It is a "long gun" because it does not meet the definition of a "handgun".

The CA DROS system and CFARS will further force it to be "registered" as a "rifle" because it has a 16" rifled barrel.

Therefore, it is a "long gun, rifle".


Before the implementation of long gun registration (pre-2014), the CA DROS system would allow it to be transferred as a "long gun" and it would not be registered as a "rifle". So, determination if it was a "rifle" or not, would depend on how it is configured and since it does not have a shoulder stock, it would not meet the definition of a "rifle".

However, with long gun registration now in play (post-2013), the CA DROS system and CFARS will force it to be registered as a "rifle" or as a "shotgun". Since it has a 16" rifled barrel, it would go into the "rifle" subcategory. Since it's ends up being registered as a "rifle", CA DOJ or any of the 58 DAs Office could apply CA assault weapons laws for rifles to it.

[ugimports]

That's the problem.

Franklin is saying: "Not a Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun" so no AW laws can apply.



DROS system says Pick "Rifle, Pistol, or Shotgun" so AW laws would apply.



This has been thought of before.... going back 10 plus years.

How would you DROS a ma deuce? I thought those get DROSd as a long gun. I'd have to look up the last one we did to see how we DROSd it. I will see what our CA DOJ rep has to say for guidance.

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[ugimports]

Under Federal laws/regulations...

It is a Title 1 Other.


Under CA laws/regulations...

There are no "other".

It is a "long gun" because it does not meet the definition of a "handgun".

The CA DROS system and CFARS will further force it to be "registered" as a "rifle" because it has a 16" rifled barrel.

Therefore, it is a "long gun, rifle".


Before the implementation of long gun registration (pre-2014), the CA DROS system would allow it to be transferred as a "long gun" and it would not be registered as a "rifle". So, determination if it was a "rifle" or not, would depend on how it is configured and since it does not have a shoulder stock, it would not meet the definition of a "rifle".

However, with long gun registration now in play (post-2013), the CA DROS system and CFARS will force it to be registered as a "rifle" or as a "shotgun". Since it has a 16" rifled barrel, it would go into the "rifle" subcategory. Since it's ends up being registered as a "rifle", CA DOJ or any of the 58 DAs Office could apply CA assault weapons laws for rifles to it.

Just because it is registered as a rifle due to limitations of the computer system shouldnt make it eligible for AW regs in my opinion. And of course my opinion doesn't count

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[RoundEye]

I found this ...

California State Laws

Section 17090 "Rifle""rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and
intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the
explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

https://www.atf.gov/file/117166/download

Doesn't sound like a rifle based on the above definition. Sounds like CADOJ needs to add another "Gun Type" to the Long Gun transaction form.

[Quiet]

Just because it is registered as a rifle due to limitations of the computer system shouldnt make it eligible for AW regs in my opinion. And of course my opinion doesn't count

I just think the way CA DOJ implemented the system was a way for them to implement underground regulations to force firearms that did not fit their defined categories to be defined into categories that they wanted. It's one of the reasons why they continue to refuse to create an "other" category of firearms and why they did not create a generic long gun subcategory for long guns that did not meet the definition of a rifle or a shotgun.

[franklinarmory]

We will get this changed, either by negotiation (which is going on currently,) or by litigation.

[franklinarmory]

How would you DROS a ma deuce? I thought those get DROSd as a long gun. I'd have to look up the last one we did to see how we DROSd it. I will see what our CA DOJ rep has to say for guidance.

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I'd be interested in their response. Additionally, they need a pathway to transfer Mossberg Cruisers, barreled long gun actions (e.g. 98 Mausers without a stock,) and oddities such as Uberti Buntlines which feature a revolver action and 18" barrel.

[ugimports]

I'd be interested in their response. Additionally, they need a pathway to transfer Mossberg Cruisers, barreled long gun actions (e.g. 98 Mausers without a stock,) and oddities such as Uberti Buntlines which feature a revolver action and 18" barrel.

Barreled long gun actions we've DROSd as long gun receivers. Mossberg Cruiser we've done as a shotgun.

The M1919A4 we last did we DROSd as a rifle.. right or wrong I'm not 100% sure.

I sent the question off to CA DOJ.