Safe handling demonstration without magazines?

[E Michael]

[kemasa]

Have the police do it, I can see it now: Yes, we can get you in for a firearms transfer, the deputy who handles those is available 14 months from now and we will need 2 postal money orders for $25 made payable to the DOJ and $240 made payable to the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department.

No, it has to be free and under the same conditions that they do for dealers, upon request, during normal business hours, they have to do it. We already pay taxes, which is why it needs to be free. They don't charge you a fee to run a background check when you get pulled over for a traffic citation, so why should they charge for other background checks?

[acespawnshop]

Acepawnshop seem to be a great place according to what they post and what others say about them.

Thanks we try.

That aside, saying you should be able to charge what you want is nuts, you could just charge $1000 and know you will never have to do one. Also, and I may be incorrect, but was it not ffls that wanted to be the middle man for ppt until they heard they are limited to what they can charge?

You're missing the point what I am saying is let the dealer decide and let fair market capitalism determine what price will be. For example No dealer is required to process your online transfer, but they can and they charge for the service, the fees vary. Some charge $50 some more or less. If you find a place thats cheaper use them if they charge too much nobody does goes there plain and simple. And as far as dealers wanting to be the middle man. No, the state made it illegal for face to face transfers and they put it in the PC that the dealers could only charge $10. This was way back when and the cost of doing business has risen to the point that every PPT is a net loss for the dealer when you account for employee time, licensing and general cost of business.

Finally, you can charge more for ppt, you just have to have it clearly posted that you charge X amount for Y service. Ie “$10 a day safe storage fee” or something like that.

As always I can be completely wrong.

not the case. its in the PC dealers can not misrepresent the DROS fees and PPT fee are set by state law.

EDIT: Heres the thing too, you will have some dealers that will flat out say we don't do them, but you will have plenty that will take on the business and work and be fairly compensated for their services. Think of it this way, what would you think is a fair price to pay a fully licensed, highly skilled and competent plumber or mechanic? PPT's by far are the most time consuming transfer we do and the $10 equates to about a $10 per hour rate since most PPTs take about that time, sellers are late, buyers forgot something, there's two customers info to put into the DES rather than one, there's two customers double checking the DROS, there's a two customers info to put into our computer system and so on. That being said there is NO employee in CA anymore that makes less than $12.50 an hour amirite? So, for that hour the store is losing money. And that's where our gripe comes from. Also, you have to consider dealers that would welcome them, such as small mom and pops or table top FFLs that dont have high overhead. Think of this also, its required by law you file a tax return, what if the federal and state governments told all CPA's that they can only charge $10 per hour while working on mandatory tax returns? Charge what you want to for monthly bookkeeping services, but since we are going to make it required by law you do these tax returns we are also going to make your fee mandated by law also.

SIDE NOTE: My interstate transfer fees have been posted below all along, so everyone can clearly see where I stand on the topic of pricing and such. At $25 per firearm these transfers are basically a break even point for us to do these and we do them as a service an a minimum charge because its helpful to the community at large. There would be plenty of others who would adopt a similar policy should PPT fees go unregulated.

[kemasa]

Acepawnshop seem to be a great place according to what they post and what others say about them.

Can't believe everything that you read on the Internet, even if it is true :-)

That aside, saying you should be able to charge what you want is nuts, you could just charge $1000 and know you will never have to do one. Also, and I may be incorrect, but was it not ffls that wanted to be the middle man for ppt until they heard they are limited to what they can charge?

Think about it. Why should the government be able to force a business to decide what they can charge for a service? If the government wants to dictate that something must be done, then they should provide the service, not force businesses to do it.

A business could decide that they don't want to do PPTs, which might cause them to lose business and end up going out of business, but that should be their choice.

I have heard rumors as to who pushed the stupid law, but I don't think that there is any proof and what I recall it was bigger stores who wanted it, but it wasn't a majority of FFLs. I was never asked about it in advance.

Sorry, that isn't correct, you can't charge more than the $10 FFL fee during the waiting period. After 10 days, then you could charge storage fees, but not before.

As always I can be completely wrong.

That is correct :-)

[acespawnshop]

Can't believe everything that you read on the Internet, even if it is true :-)

Man! I have everyone fooled huh?

[acespawnshop]

Maybe we could have two separate prices for gun locks? DOJ approved locks are $5.48 when you're buying a firearm from us. The DOJ APPROVED PPT version locks are $21.90.

[acespawnshop]

Oh and your PPT fee is only $9.00 if you accept credit cards as form of payment. Since the $25 dros and $10 fee will usually get you about a $1.00 credit card processing fee.

[downdiver2]

separate experience you had this really is not relevant .

. Based on your comments, it would be foolish to buy anything from you as your only .

15 Itrader reviews and 100% reviewed for a reason. I don't dick around with buying or selling. I list my ads accordingly and I buy from ads accordingly. We are buying firearms (Mine are all firearms) and its serious, I take it serious.

Also, this site is built on reviews, opinions and experiences of this group. Just because I am not a Professional PPT or hold an FFL has no bearing on me commenting. And yes, its a dickhead move, but I would pass on the buyer for a question like that, and I would move on to someone who could perform the transaction as listed and complete the transaction as I have it listed.

Enough arguing and comparing genital sizes (Experience of PPT)

Even though my comments do have bearing, and are not illegal and are not damaging and are only getting flamed for "Opinions" of the pro's - I will leave this post to the "Pro's"

And no, I am not a professional yard sales man. Hold 1 a year to dump BS crap to those less fortunate or hunting for a deal on junk I don't value .

[acespawnshop]

15 Itrader reviews

Yep, that trumps the 3000 or so firearms we transfer per year you got me there.

[taperxz]

Yep, that trumps the 3000 or so firearms we transfer per year you got me there.

My wife just bought a Porsche with all the PPT money we saved up.

[kemasa]

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And yes, its a dickhead move, but I would pass on the buyer for a question like that, and I would move on to someone who could perform the transaction as listed and complete the transaction as I have it listed.

This just confirms my statement.

If you brought a magazine to do the safe handling demo at the start, there would be no problem doing the transfer, but you are correct in your own assessment in your behavior, so why would anyone want to do business with a person who admits that they would do such things?

[E Michael]

Sorry, that isn't correct, you can't charge more than the $10 FFL fee during the waiting period. After 10 days, then you could charge storage fees, but not before.



That is correct :-)

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#20G

[rudigan]

Its close, but due to recently breaking through the 10k post threshold, I give the nod to kemasa

[acespawnshop]

My wife just bought a Porsche with all the PPT money we saved up.

Was it the hot wheels version?

[kemasa]

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#20G

What fees do I charge a firearm purchaser?

And your point? There is the DROS fee and the FFL fee, but the FFL fee is limited for a CA PPT, as well as any other fees. There is a memo on the storage fee.