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  • torquen
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    • Dec 2010
    • 200

    5 transfers only?

    I was reading about PPT and intrafamilure transfers. A number of five kept coming up before you get noticed. Please explain this and is this 5 total or 5 per year?
    Thanks.
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    mike415stone
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    • Jul 2014
    • 1203

    I know people who have done more then 5 with nothing happening but would not want to take a chance with uncle sam and aunt Obama.
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      ASD1
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      • Apr 2012
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      5 PER YEAR
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        RickD427
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        • Jan 2007
        • 9264

        Originally posted by torquen
        I was reading about PPT and intrafamilure transfers. A number of five kept coming up before you get noticed. Please explain this and is this 5 total or 5 per year?
        Thanks.
        For handguns you're limited to five Transactions in a calendar year.

        There is no limit to the number of handguns that you can Transfer within the calendar year, provided you fit them all within your five permitted Transactions.

        Please refer to Penal Code sections 16730, 26500 and 26520.
        If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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          torquen
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          • Dec 2010
          • 200

          Ok that is what I was looking for. Thank you for the information.

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          • #6
            Baboosh
            Calguns Addict
            • Jun 2008
            • 6769

            Originally posted by mike415stone
            I know people who have done more then 5 with nothing happening but would not want to take a chance with uncle sam and aunt Obama.
            Has nothing to do with Uncle Sam or Aunt Bama. It's a CA thing.
            Just a normal guy

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              mike415stone
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 1203

              Who tracks them and what are the ramifications for going over the number?
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              Better to die on your feet then live on your knees.

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                RickD427
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                • Jan 2007
                • 9264

                Originally posted by mike415stone
                Who tracks them and what are the ramifications for going over the number?
                Mike,

                I don't know if there is any tracking system in place. It would be easy to do from DROS records.

                The ramification would be a misdemeanor criminal charge for violation of Penal Code section 26500.

                Postscript - I don't believe it. I finally beat Librarian to the punch (and by less than 60 seconds)
                Last edited by RickD427; 12-22-2015, 5:55 PM.
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                • #9
                  Librarian
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44646

                  Originally posted by mike415stone
                  Who tracks them and what are the ramifications for going over the number?
                  Theoretically, DOJ can track via DROS info, and the consequence could be arrest and charged with dealing guns without a CA license. See PC 26500.
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                    mike415stone
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 1203

                    I told my buddy he needs to slow down with clearing out space in his safe. Hopefully it wont come back latter and bite him in the butt
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                    Better to die on your feet then live on your knees.

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                    • #11
                      steel30
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 2042

                      Originally posted by mike415stone
                      I told my buddy he needs to slow down with clearing out space in his safe. Hopefully it wont come back latter and bite him in the butt
                      Just a few more weeks and your buddy gets 5 more transactions...
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                      • #12
                        torquen
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 200

                        Does this same 5 rule apply for intra familure transfers?

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                          Librarian
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                          • Oct 2005
                          • 44646

                          Originally posted by torquen
                          Does this same 5 rule apply for intra familure transfers?
                          Yes.

                          Transfer a lot of guns at one time ...
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                            pacrat
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                            • May 2014
                            • 10280

                            Originally posted by torquen
                            Does this same 5 rule apply for intra familure transfers?
                            Originally posted by Librarian
                            Yes.

                            Transfer a lot of guns at one time ...
                            Not according to PC 26505 which has this exemption in relation to PC 26500. From the PC link that Librarian posted. See underlined.




                            26500. (a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless the person has been issued a license pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.


                            (b) Any person violating this article is guilty of a misdemeanor.


                            (Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.)



                            26505. Section 26500 does not apply to the sale, lease, or transfer of any firearm by any of the following:


                            (a) A person acting pursuant to operation of law.


                            (b) A person acting pursuant to a court order.


                            (c) A person acting pursuant to the Enforcement of Judgments Law (Title 9 (commencing with Section 680.010) of Part 2 of the Code of Civil Procedure).


                            (d) A person who liquidates a personal firearm collection to satisfy a court judgment.
                            A familial gift is an OPLAW transfer. And according to 26505 is exempt from 26500.

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                            • #15
                              halifax
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 4440

                              I had a widow woman liquidate her late husband's collection (20 + guns all by PPT) over a very short period of time. Nothing heard from the DOJ.
                              Jim


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