Bay area gun vault issue

[kemasa]

If people don't complain to the CA DOJ, then nothing will happen. I suspect that they are betting that most people won't complain, plus if you did not submit the request in writing, as required, then they have not violated the law.

I think it is stupid to violate the law like that and it will harm them.

The CA DOJ issued a letter stating that a FFL can charge storage after the 10 days. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere, but that is legal (although stupid and will harm their business).

[ke6guj]

Actually it was the big FFL players in this state that pushed the PPT law through.

this right here. it was the FFLs that WANTED the law to force alls PPTs to be papered through a dealer. this was back in the 90's when $10 was real money and the dealers were happy to collect the $10 to do a PPT and get 3 warm bodies forced to walk through the door without having to advertise to get them there.

now that ~15 years have passed, that $10 fee that they once enjoyed is "no longer worth their time" and they don't want to do them anymore.

[acespawnshop]

Can anybody help me understand how we are ok with the state charging $25 for the DROS fees? Not to hijack threads again, but it does piss me off when the state gets $25 for a PPT, and does nothing, and I get $10.

[kemasa]

And they stole and or trying to steal the excess money.

What do you want to do about it? Trying suing the state and your great-grandchild might get something.

What about sales tax? They don't pay us to file, the rounding often means that you have to pay more than you collected and they make a lot more than we do.

[oogaloo]

Background

Do you know why the PPT fee is limited to $10 instead of market price like regular transfer fee? I was not in the marketplace when this was legislated so I am not familiar with the contemporary dialogue establishing the fixed PPT fee. Just curious.

[kemasa]

I don't think that they gave any thought to it. The DROS fee is supposed to be based on cost, but it exceeds that and they want to steal the money.

If you think about it, why shouldn't the police do the background check for PPTs for free? They are already getting paid by the government. The $10 PPT sometimes is not even min. wage.

What do you expect from politicians?

[M1NM]

While you are waiting for the seller pile a couple hundred dollars worth of stuff on the counter. When he refuses the PPT he'll see how much it's really costing him.

[Bowser]

Edited.

[dachan]

That is where the seller wanted to meet. It was his choice...

and no, he does not have a point...he is acting illegally. He could easily charge fees for storage after 10 days like the other shops but instead he's refusing PPT's out right which is illegal. This isn't a DOJ issue

Has nothing to do with protesting. This is purely a business profit driven stance. 4 years ago BAGV was to first in the area to charge for storage fees (during the 10 day period) and got called out on it. They are located within 3 miles of the HQ of Apple, Google and Facebook. Any average compensated employee could sell 3-5 shares of their 10,000 options and purchase an average cost firearm. Or use 2-3 days take home pay to cover the purchase. BAGV has high profit margins feeding off of new parties in the market, they have no interest in catering to a couple of enthusiasts needing a lawful PPT. On the one hand, they are providing a service to the firearms community by providing a highly visible outlet to start in this game for a newcomer, but their business model clearly shows that they aren't interested in anything from the firearms community except for the money from the first one or two sales.

[ke6guj]

When the ppt law was passed, the dros fee was around $15. CADOJ has lobbied for increases in the dros feed over time but has not lobbied for the ffls to get a corresponding raise.

As for why it is limited? Maybe the legislature realized that if the left it up to the market, manydealers would want $50+ to do a transfer and that get to be so expensive that people decide to just do a paperless transfer. By limiting the cost, people are more likely to do it legally.

[scbauer]

I've never been a big fan of theirs, but this makes it an easy decision. My business (PPT or otherwise) will never go to BAGV.

[Best sale]

can that be considered as a greed motivated move by some FFL, or frustration .... ????????
but hey, it is his store ,his rule and hopefully not his financial loss in the future.....

[kendog4570]

....and no, he does not have a point....

I dont necessarily agree with them, but yes, they do have a point. You just dont like it.
Just vote with your wallet and go somewhere else. Let them deal with the fallout for their big "crime". No need to make a federal case out of it.

[kemasa]

They have a point, but it is pointless when it causes them to violate the law. Also, they have the opportunity to have a lot of customers come in and perhaps buy things, but instead they are driving people off and causing a problem with themselves.

What is the point of having a law if people can just violate it and nothing happens? The law should change or be removed, especially if it is not enforced or if people can not follow it. Why should you have to go through a FFL if no FFLs will do the transfer? In part it is because of the money, but people don't want to pay a lot to do a PPT.