Once Saved Always Saved ....?

[Barang]

You continue to bark up the wrong tree. You freely admit you studied under Mormons and JW's which is fine, but it's influenced your view of things. You use a JW version of the bible, which isn't accepted by others not of the JW faith, as Christians generally accept other biblical translations (KJV, NLT, NIV, etc.)

Your views simply aren't mainstream. You try to say they are and give a list of TV preachers you say you watch, but on the other hand, you won't identify a church you attend or provide a link to their website. You certainly don't have to, but it would help us to know where you're coming from.

Again, you're free to worship as you wish and we'll extend grace and mercy. However, your teachings aren't what are accepted by mainstream Christians.

Yup! I attend JW church on monday, Mormon church on wednesday, Jewish temple on saturday and watch the pastors mentioned on sunday.

Click the link below to check the church that I attend locally.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=939119

[Doheny]

Yup! I attend JW church on monday, Mormon church on wednesday, Jewish temple on saturday and watch the pastors mentioned on sunday.



Click the link below to check the church that I attend locally.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=939119

Thank you for proving my point.

Go in peace.


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[eb47]

Once saved, always saved...A lie from the pit of hell. Kinda goes hand and hand with itchy ears sermons. 1 Corinthians 10:12 Paul said that, wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest ye fall. How do you even know that you are saved? Do you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Did you accept Jesus into your heart? No where in scripture confirm these beliefs. This was addressed in the very first message preached by Peter. Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Yes anyone can be saved. Actually it is not God's will that any should perish but that all would come to repentance. If you are saved then turn back to your sin, then you die in your sin. Ezekiel 18:20-32 blows once saved, always saved theology out of the water.

[colossians323]

Once saved, always saved...A lie from the pit of hell. Kinda goes hand and hand with itchy ears sermons. 1 Corinthians 10:12 Paul said that, wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest ye fall. How do you even know that you are saved? Do you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Did you accept Jesus into your heart? No where in scripture confirm these beliefs.

I think you are missing the point of Corinthians 10. It is instruction on how not to be foolish like the jews before youl. It is not saying that you can lose your salvation, nor does the passage you quote allude to it. Also as far as feeling warm and fuzzy, emotions are a weakness that cause people to divorce, covet, steal etc etc. Emotions come and go like the tides of the oceans and Gods word is true. Which will you trust, your emotions or Gods word?

This was addressed in the very first message preached by Peter. Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you trying to say Baptism is what saves us, or the work of Baptism has something to do with salvation?

Yes anyone can be saved. Actually it is not God's will that any should perish but that all would come to repentance. If you are saved then turn back to your sin, then you die in your sin. Ezekiel 18:20-32 blows once saved, always saved theology out of the water.

How so?

[eb47]

Are you saying that baptism is not vital to salvation?

Are you saying that if a righteous man turns to sin and dies in his sin, he is still going to heaven?

[Doheny]

Are you saying that baptism is not vital to salvation?

Are you saying that if a righteous man turns to sin and dies in his sin, he is still going to heaven?

Not being baptized won't keep you from going to heaven, if that's what you mean. What if I'm on my way to the church to get baptized and I die in a car wreck, but I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior? Would I still go to heaven? Of course.

We're all sinners. I'm saved, but I still sin every day, in spite of my best efforts. I'm confident I'm going to heaven. I ask for his forgiveness often, but I know if I sin tonight and die tomorrow I will be in heaven.


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[madjack956]

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for. Until we die and stand before God we only have the assurance of salvation though the promise of Jesus Christ.

I am saved because of Jesus and His Life, Death and Resurection, not by anything I have done other than asking for His forgiveness.

BINGO!

[eb47]

James 2:14-26

[GrizzlyGuy]

James 2:14-26

result of being saved, not a prerequisite to being saved.

[mfj93444]

Lineman101:
I am not a Greek scholar by any means, but you are demonstrating a measure of bias in your claim that the NWT is wrong regarding Heb. 1:6. The Greek word for worship as used at Heb. 1:6 is proskuneo and it is made up of two words, pro= towards and kuneo= to kiss. Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words defines proskuneo as "to make obeisance, do reverence to, an act of homage or reverence to Christ." In the context, the angels are called upon to honor Christ because of his excellency and authority, not to worship him as God Almighty. It is no surprise that supporters of the Trinity doctrine would be unhappy with the later (1984) version. It does not appear that the use of the word "obeisance" in Heb. 1:6 is wrong but merely serves to add clarity to the subject. It is a stretch to say that the NWT rendering is intentionally misleading and "purposely hide(s) the truth of the Gospel." W.E. Vine was a Trinitarian and opposer of JW, but it appears that the Greek word for worship as used by the NWT for Heb. 1:6 is accurate.

[colossians323]

No greek scholar either (so let me help you out with what greek scholars do say) but there is so much wrong with the JW's not only theologically but sociologically. lets delve a bit deeper since you opened that door

In twenty-first-century English, people generally make a distinction between the verbs “worship” and “do obeisance.” Most individuals, especially monotheists, use the word worship in a positive sense when talking about God, whereas “obeisance” is used more often in reference to the general respect given to people held in high regard. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines obeisance as “1. A gesture or movement of the body, such as a curtsy, that expresses deference or homage. 2. An attitude of deference or homage,” whereas the verb worship is defined as “1. To honor and love as a deity. 2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion” (2000, emp. added). The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society agrees with the distinction often made between these words in modern English: God should be “worshiped,” while Jesus (we are told) should only receive “obeisance” (i.e., the respect and submission one pays to important dignitaries and superiors).

The Greek word proskuneo, which appears in the New Testament a total of 60 times, literally means “to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence” (“Proskuneo,” 1999). According to Greek scholars Arndt, Gingrich, and Danker, this word was used in ancient times “to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before a person and kissing his feet, the hem of his garment, the ground, etc.; the Persians did this in the presence of their deified king, and the Greeks before a divinity or something holy” (1979, p. 723). Admittedly, the word obeisance could be used on occasions to translate proskuneo. The problem is that Jehovah’s Witnesses make a distinction between obeisance and worship when it comes to the token of reverence that Jesus was given. They arbitrarily translate proskuneo as “obeisance” every time Jesus is the object, yet never when God the Father is the recipient of honor and praise.

Link with references going back to the late 19th century

[Doheny]

This


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[mfj93444]

colossians323-
Actually, Lineman101 opened the door and I merely responded to his charge of tampering. Rather than using the copy and paste method from unnamed sources, I actually got out a Greek handbook, spelled out the word in English and noted the comments from Vines. Based on Heb 1:6 in the NWT, I believe they got it right and that the word obeisance is acceptable and fits with the entire context. The Greek scholars that you referenced appear to support the same conclusion. I have nearly two dozen Bibles and a (very) quick look showed that other translations used words other than worship, such as reverence and adore.
As far as the anonymous comment that the NWT arbitrarily translates proskuneo as “obeisance” every time Jesus is the object, I can offer no comment. I was responding just to the example presented by Lineman101. When I get back from vacation, perhaps I will examine it some more.

[colossians323]

colossians323-
Actually, Lineman101 opened the door and I merely responded to his charge of tampering. Rather than using the copy and paste method from unnamed sources, I actually got out a Greek handbook, spelled out the word in English and noted the comments from Vines. Based on Heb 1:6 in the NWT, I believe they got it right and that the word obeisance is acceptable and fits with the entire context. The Greek scholars that you referenced appear to support the same conclusion. I have nearly two dozen Bibles and a (very) quick look showed that other translations used words other than worship, such as reverence and adore.
As far as the anonymous comment that the NWT arbitrarily translates proskuneo as “obeisance” every time Jesus is the object, I can offer no comment. I was responding just to the example presented by Lineman101. When I get back from vacation, perhaps I will examine it some more.

Ok, but if you look at my post, I cite my source, none are "anonymous", they are not unnamed and the references are there abundantly for all to check out. Sometimes context has to be taken in the whole and if you look at the verb throughout, it should be used consistently, and not a pick and choose how you want to use it. Context is important, and hermeneutics should be our guide. I have concordances and dictionaries and those are useful for studying, but they still don't make us ancient language scholars. Enjoy your vacation

[mfj93444]

colossians323- Ok, but if you look at my post, I cite my source, none are "anonymous", they are not unnamed and the references are there abundantly for all to check out.

Seriously? I didn't see any reference to https://www.apologeticspress.org/apc...0&article=1481. in your post....

This is exactly why I like to examine the evidence for myself and then decide what to believe. It is troubling to see how people start with the assumption that other views are wrong and build their arguments entirely on the wrong motive. We should all be interested in obtaining truth instead of tearing down those who may very well have it. Someone is right and someone is wrong.
In this case, either the Trinity is a colossal Satanic lie or it's the truth. We should be intent on finding out ourselves instead of parroting someone else's view. Done