So, when does life begin?

[19K]

I read the article. I believe that at the time the Bible was written that those that wrote the passages wouldn?t have even comprehended the act of what we know as abortion. Hence they wouldn?t of had anticipated writing something more in depth than what they did. Just my .02

I would disagree with that idea. There has always been abortion. People have known about plants and chemicals that could induce it for a very long time. I?m sure this was common enough that some midwife or horticulturist or ?medicine man? in every village/town was capable of providing.

[MrFancyPants]

Life begins once the egg is fertilized.

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[ZapThyCat]

Is this a genuine question about when life begins, or is this an attempt to get a political/religious discussion about abortion?

I think we can all agree that a cell is "alive", which means that "life" begins at conception, when the DNA of a new person is established and they begin growing.

If you're asking, "at what point is it no longer moral to end that life", you'll get
varying answers. Some will say, "never", some will say 1st or 2nd trimester. I don't think that anyone outside of a super-liberal can say that partial birth abortion is moral and should be allowed, there are liberals that will advocate for it, but it's less about partial birth abortion and more about eroding abortion rights as a whole.

[viragoman]

There is a flash of light at the moment of conception. The whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts. That's when life begins.

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[ZirconJohn]

Life begins at the time of the BIG BANG!

[Wordupmybrotha]

[CVShooter]

When does life begin? I have an answer. You have an answer. Some of us agree and others don't. How about we leave that to each other & mind our own business? Abortion is one of those things that men have no business voting on anyway, in the political sphere. It's a woman's issue. Men need to stay out of it, in my opinion.

But for those who follow the Judeo-Christian traditions, I find it funny how people will quote Jeremiah to say that life begins at conception when Jeremiah wasn't writing a scientific treatise about life beginning at (or before) conception. He had an inspiring thought -- nothing more. And Jeremiah was talking about himself, not anybody else. Context, context context.

Now check out Numbers 5. Here's a prescription for a divinely-induced abortion ritual that couples can do if the husband suspects that the wife has cheated. I think we can all agree that a little bit of ash & dust mixed with some kind of holy water and a special chant isn't going to work as a kind of early Plan B pill. But there's the concept -- the life of the unborn is not always valued. If it's a child of adultery, then here's the recipe to make it go away & forever punish the wife (supposedly). The child that the husband wants is valued. But the one that he doesn't want is not valued. Though I tend to think the ritual is more about publicly shaming the woman who may just have an insecure husband than it is at trying to prove fidelity or inducing a real abortion. There's all sorts of weird stuff in the Bible, especially concerning women, and this is among them.

And let's not forget the there are copious examples of genocide, infanticide & sanctioned rape in the Bible. Sometimes, even God himself is doing it (Exodus, for example) or commanding it (the taking of wives from the conquered, killing the children). It's complicated and uncomfortable -- even for a believer. It's hard to claim any kind of moral righteousness when quoting from the OT. It's proof-texting at best. At worst, it's downright disingenuous.

Seriously, men, leave this one to women to decide. Women, feel free to debate, argue and vote your conscience. Whenever there's a shred of doubt, I think minding our own business & not judging others is a good default response.

[BigStiCK]

When does life begin? I have an answer. You have an answer. Some of us agree and others don't. How about we leave that to each other & mind our own business? Abortion is one of those things that men have no business voting on anyway, in the political sphere. It's a woman's issue. Men need to stay out of it, in my opinion....

Seriously, men, leave this one to women to decide. Women, feel free to debate, argue and vote your conscience. Whenever there's a shred of doubt, I think minding our own business & not judging others is a good default response.

Yah, its not like the male has any vested interest in a/his child. Why should men care?


From a moral standpoint there is the fact that the institution of abortion in America was created to destroy certain ethnicities. Evil. The resulting multi-billion dollar abortion/baby parts industry is also Evil.

If good men do not stand in the face of this Evil it will prevail. We are the protectors, are we not?

[glassparman]

What Barang said! YHWH knew us before we were knit together in our mother's womb.

The earliest they can detect a fetal heartbeat is around 5 weeks. In my opinion, if it has a heartbeat, it is alive. This makes abortion murder. Plain and simple.

Less than 1% of abortions are to save the mother's life.

[xMAC1x]

Conception.

[Tikka3x]

imagine mary was pro abortion and murdering Jesus in the womb! let that sink in, pro abort "christians."

anyone who would support or vote for someone who is pro-baby killing is guilty of sin.

[CVShooter]

Yah, its not like the male has any vested interest in a/his child. Why should men care?


From a moral standpoint there is the fact that the institution of abortion in America was created to destroy certain ethnicities. Evil. The resulting multi-billion dollar abortion/baby parts industry is also Evil.

If good men do not stand in the face of this Evil it will prevail. We are the protectors, are we not?

Maybe you're too young to grasp this but if you conceive a child and your woman is thinking about an abortion, you screwed up somewhere big time long before that moment. Own it & let it go.

Take off your tinfoil hat. Abortion wasn't created in America. It has been around longer than civilization itself.

[2761377]

^^^ it's not the man's or the woman's choice. neither have a right to end a life.

considering the fetus to be a part of the woman's body is incorrect and a sin.

[Barang]

But for those who follow the Judeo-Christian traditions, I find it funny how people will quote Jeremiah to say that life begins at conception when Jeremiah wasn't writing a scientific treatise about life beginning at (or before) conception. He had an inspiring thought -- nothing more. And Jeremiah was talking about himself, not anybody else. Context, context context.

you conveniently left out psalms and exodus.

Now check out Numbers 5. Here's a prescription for a divinely-induced abortion ritual that couples can do if the husband suspects that the wife has cheated. I think we can all agree that a little bit of ash & dust mixed with some kind of holy water and a special chant isn't going to work as a kind of early Plan B pill. But there's the concept -- the life of the unborn is not always valued. If it's a child of adultery, then here's the recipe to make it go away & forever punish the wife (supposedly). The child that the husband wants is valued. But the one that he doesn't want is not valued. Though I tend to think the ritual is more about publicly shaming the woman who may just have an insecure husband than it is at trying to prove fidelity or inducing a real abortion. There's all sorts of weird stuff in the Bible, especially concerning women, and this is among them.

the consequence of adultery if that was proven. God is not playing games with sin for He is holy. He's not condoning abortion/sin, an adulterer was punished if proven unlike your worldview of abortion where human can kill an unborn child at any stage and the woman has that right.

And let's not forget the there are copious examples of genocide, infanticide & sanctioned rape in the Bible. Sometimes, even God himself is doing it (Exodus, for example) or commanding it (the taking of wives from the conquered, killing the children). It's complicated and uncomfortable -- even for a believer. It's hard to claim any kind of moral righteousness when quoting from the OT. It's proof-texting at best. At worst, it's downright disingenuous.

noah's flood, sodom & gomorrah are good examples why only couple of families survived and rest of mankind died! yes, children, adults and in between.

when God tells you to do this or do that is because He can see the future that all of us don't. He knows how to eliminate israel's enemies but too bad for them because they kept rebelling against God so they also suffer from the consequences of their sins, their enemies enslaved them

Seriously, men, leave this one to women to decide. Women, feel free to debate, argue and vote your conscience. Whenever there's a shred of doubt, I think minding our own business & not judging others is a good default response.

we don't condone killing of babies whether 1st trimester, 2nd or 3rd and up to birth! God's word is what we follow and not humans' who knows it all opinion.

[cyphr02]

You can?t say the Bible was literally authored by God, and site the flood. The flood story was appropriated from the Mesopotamian story of Gilgamesh. Sodom & Gamora, and many laws from Leviticus were mean to make the People fearful and distrusting of outsiders. Like how people today tell scary tales of the big bad city, full of crime and hate. Don?t go there, stay here in the countryside with us where it is safe.