The Chosen

[Subotai]

I'll pass, because of the nuances stated above. Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon "corrects" the mistakes of the Bible, or in other words, "defines" what the Bible did not define. The Book of Mormon is in conflict with some information in the Bible, accordingly. Personally, I believe that they are not Christians. They believe that they are the true Christians and the rest of us are at best misguided. They are certainly not a "denomination" or a part of the other Christians out there. They are a different religion.

[1911RONIN]

Well, what does the Bible say in response to what you?re saying? I listed 3 or 4 verses where we are told to TRUST JESUS with all our hearts. We are NOT to rely on our hearts in ourselves. Big difference. Look up the verses from the Bible that I cited.

Ultimately, here?s the bottom line issue with The Chosen TV show: The great concern is for those who profess faith, but are being led away from scripture, because it is more convenient and palpable to watch a fictional based representation of Jesus being portrayed on an entertainment desired TV show.

You just proved my point with your last comment that while you profess faith and I have no doubt you are a Christian, however you?re allowing a fictional TV show portray what Jesus supposedly said with some big inaccuracies and false assumptions, contrary to what the Bible says. With all due respect, it?s more convenient for you as others, to just accept a pleasing to the ear (and eyes) feel-good man-made TV show, than to actually read, verify and understand what the Bible says that Jesus actually did during that time period.

I?m not telling anybody to not watch the show. That?s a personal decision everyone must make for themselves. Rather I?m just saying that one might want to follow along with a genuine Bible in hand and have the proper discernment skills to see false (or proper) biblical teaching from that series.

Also, look at who?s providing the majority of the the so called ?biblical message? in the story line of The Chosen. It?s 56% of the Mormon church who has the ultimate say in the script line whether you like it or not. That?s enough for me to say, ?no thank you,? I?ll pass. I?ll stick with the Bible itself to read what Jesus said and did.

I have no beef with Mormons personally. But I vigorously defend Christianity from Mormonism. But know that Mormonism and orthodox Christianity are NOT even close to being one in the same religion. I say to all other religions, ?you do you Boo.? Just don?t classify your religion with Christianity and likewise, I won?t classify my religion (Christianity) with yours.

I'll rephrase. What in you responded to the offer of Jesus' invitation to follow Him? Was that thing in you that trusted Jesus with? If it isn't you that responded, then how are you saved?


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[1911RONIN]

I'll pass, because of the nuances stated above. Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon "corrects" the mistakes of the Bible, or in other words, "defines" what the Bible did not define. The Book of Mormon is in conflict with some information in the Bible, accordingly. Personally, I believe that they are not Christians. They believe that they are the true Christians and the rest of us are at best misguided. They are certainly not a "denomination" or a part of the other Christians out there. They are a different religion.

Judge the product on its own merits.


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[TrailerparkTrash]

I'll rephrase. What in you responded to the offer of Jesus' invitation to follow Him? Was that thing in you that trusted Jesus with? If it isn't you that responded, then how are you saved?


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I responded to the light of conscience. Paschal was right. He said that God dwells in enough light so that if we want to find it, we will. And He dwells in enough obscurity so that if we don't want to find Him, we won't.

Again, the way Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, and he's the ultimate authority, He said light came into darkness, men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. So the problem was not enough light, it?s that men love darkness.

In Romans chapter 2, Paul explains that we have the light of conscience. God has written a knowledge of himself upon the tablet of our conscience. Jesus makes plane that if we respond to light then we will be given more light. If we reject light then God will remain shrouded in obscurity. My soul, my conscience responded to the light, plain and simple.

[1911RONIN]

I responded to the light of conscience. Paschal was right. He said that God dwells in enough light so that if we want to find it, we will. And He dwells in enough obscurity so that if we don't want to find Him, we won't.

Again, the way Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, and he's the ultimate authority, He said light came into darkness, men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. So the problem was not enough light, it?s that men love darkness.

In Romans chapter 2, Paul explains that we have the light of conscience. God has written a knowledge of himself upon the tablet of our conscience. Jesus makes plane that if we respond to light then we will be given more light. If we reject light then God will remain shrouded in obscurity. My soul, my conscience responded to the light, plain and simple.

And what is theologically significant difference between your heart and your soul? Conscience merely adjudicates. It doesn't believe anything.


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[NavCop]

Matthew 7:15-20
New International Version
True and False Prophets

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

[TrailerparkTrash]

And what is theologically significant difference between your heart and your soul? Conscience merely adjudicates. It doesn't believe anything.


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Yes, conscience “adjudicates,” meaning that a side is taken. A decision is made between two or more decisions or BELIEFS to be made. It’s taking a stance on some type of subject matter either with or without Jesus as one’s ultimate guide on the decision making process. I test all things [in light of scripture] and hold fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5: 19-22). My soul is directed by Jesus Christ alone.

The BIBLE is the final court of arbitration, that we test all things. That is my “theology” method or guide of arbitration and not the human self-centered “heart.”

[Garand Hunter]

Try reading the verses in Romans ch 10, its fool proof ! Verses 8 thru 11. The mormons are also invited as anyone else who reads these verses and ACTS as instructed in these verses, anyone !

Psalm 1

[1911RONIN]

Yes, conscience ?adjudicates,? meaning that a side is taken. A decision is made between two or more decisions or BELIEFS to be made. It?s taking a stance on some type of subject matter either with or without Jesus as one?s ultimate guide on the decision making process. I test all things [in light of scripture] and hold fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5: 19-22). My soul is directed by Jesus Christ alone.

The BIBLE is the final court of arbitration, that we test all things. That is my ?theology? method or guide of arbitration and not the human self-centered ?heart.?

You didn't answer the question. What part of you was the part that believed when you were born again? And was that a redeemed part at the time? If it was already redeemed, then the new birth is superfluous. If it wasn't, then by your theology, you couldn't be saved anyway, because it was that old black heart...and you are yet in your sins.


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[TrailerparkTrash]

You didn't answer the question. What part of you was the part that believed when you were born again? And was that a redeemed part at the time? If it was already redeemed, then the new birth is superfluous. If it wasn't, then by your theology, you couldn't be saved anyway, because it was that old black heart...and you are yet in your sins.


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I?m not understanding your question nor the point you?re trying to make. Be a little more clear with what you?re asking and not so convoluted with your question. We are talking about a TV show and whether or not it should be viewed as ?biblically accurate? or not. I think you?ve gone off the rails a bit. I?m happy to answer your question, if you?re just more clear about what you?re trying to ask and convey.

[Wordupmybrotha]

I stand corrected. I watched it last night and it was sooo good! The acting and production value were outstanding! I binged watched 5 episodes last night and I'm on episode 7 now.

[Wordupmybrotha]

So you went there with ?non sequiturs,? by presenting a false dilemma. Nice, so I guess I?ll bring it? On the show when Jesus teaches Nicodemus at night... Jesus tells Nicodemus that He has come to this world to save man from the punishment of sin. On the show, Nicodemus questions Jesus and asks Him, ?is the Kingdom of God really coming?? The tv show depicts Jesus replying with ?what does your heart tell you?? (?and then a pause).

The show throws it back on sinful man, to follow and listen to his own sinful ?heart!? Jesus wouldn?t do that, nor does Jesus say anything remotely resembling this fact to Nicodemus in John chapter 3. In fact, Jesus preached to rely on He Himself and NOT one?s own sinful and broken ?self,? because man is incapable of doing such because we are all born with ?black hearts.? (John 15:5. 2 Corinthians 3:5).

We are called to trust in The Lord with all of our heart and to not lean on our own understanding. (The tv show promoted self-reliance with that scene, completely contradicting core Christian belief). In all of our ways we are to acknowledge The Lord for setting our paths straight. (Proverbs 3:5-6). We cannot be self reliant with our hearts, in order to find ourselves in the kingdom of The Lord.

The tv show has several of these little nuances and slightly shaded different meanings to the actual text of the Bible. ?and this is wrong.

Again, look at who the majority stake holder is with the tv show. If one contradicts essential Christian doctrine, then one not only blurs but obliterates the line of demarcation between the Kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of a false gospel.

I don't take issue with the TV Jesus asking "What does your heart tell you?" Romans 10:9 says, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"

The heart is a methapor for one's convictions.

[Darto]

I would say it's the best religious series ever made. Riveting. Dramatic. And a real blessing. The character Matthew (tax collector, disciple) steals the show in a lot of scenes, LOL !

[Wordupmybrotha]

I would say it's the best religious series ever made. Riveting. Dramatic. And a real blessing. The character Matthew (tax collector, disciple) steals the show in a lot of scenes, LOL !

Yeah, I like him.
There's a lot of layers to his personality. I find myself rooting for him as he matures in faith and connection with people.

[MrTokarev]

Aside from the classics (Ben Hur, Ten Commandments), it is the best faith based show ever produced. And the best presentation of Jesus you will ever get. Production values are great, as is the writing and acting.


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I believe The 10 Commandments is based on a novel by Cecil B Demil rather than the Biblical account.

Which is probably for the best. A film of the biblical account wouldn?t make as good/entertaining of a movie. The drama between Ramses, Moses, and the princess is made up but creates compelling drama.

Unfortunately too many people get their theology from movies. I think more people were biblically literate when that movie came out so they could tell what was correct and what was dramatic license.