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[MrTokarev]

My bad, I guess. I was thinking of Joseph Smith and golden tablets, etc.

[d0091sa]

If you think that's crazy... You should hear the story about the man that parted the red Sea or maybe the one about a guy named Jesus that came back to life. Those are pretty crazy stories.

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[colossians323]

If you think that's crazy... You should hear the story about the man that parted the red Sea or maybe the one about a guy named Jesus that came back to life. Those are pretty crazy stories.

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??? One was a prophet, which (prophets) ended with the old testament, and the other was the Living God which there were no prophets after his arrival?

Prophets used to say "Thus sayeth the LORD"
Jesus said "I say to you" taking on the full authority of God, while the prophets deferred to God.

This is where hermeneutics would be your friend.

Whats your point?

[d0091sa]

That's the point....we have a prophet that's living today.



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[MrTokarev]

If you think that's crazy... You should hear the story about the man that parted the red Sea or maybe the one about a guy named Jesus that came back to life. Those are pretty crazy stories.

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[MrTokarev]

That's the point....we have a prophet that's living today.

[colossians323]

That's the point....we have a prophet that's living today.



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???? Why, when the Living God is fully human and fully alive today?
He sealed the canon and there is no need for any prophets today.

Why do you think there would be a need for a prophet, since Jesus came and ended all that nonsense?

Is Jesus not sufficient for you?

[skilletboy]

Our church has an annual financial meeting for all members where all income and expenses for the year are presented, including pastor and staff salaries. This is basic stewardship and accountability. Outside of our church body, it's no one else's business.

This is the absolute final and best answer I've heard to this question. And in my vast experience this is the norm. Almost every church I've hard of al least gives out a financial statement yearly to member or people in the church.

But as many have said, there are clearly ulterior motives at work in this thread.

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[tsmithson]

Not confused at all. the one who is not using Gods word seems confused, and I am simply trying to direct you to Gods word, not my word. You seem to only have your word and rely on what you say and think. Here is what Gods word says on this subject.



Here we see that Jesus was there in the beginning (bolded to help you understand His word), Jesus was the beginning, and Jesus created all things and all universes.
Either the Bible is right when it says Jesus created all things and NOTHING was made without him, or the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it would be your due diligence to show us where the bible is wrong, wouldn't it?
If indeed the bible is right, and Jesus created "everything" we see He was the Creator of Lucifer from this simple to understand passage (no need for use of hermeneutics), thus showing if you believe the mormon narrative you are worshiping the brother of lucifer, where as Christianity worships the creator of all universes.

I have no problem with this other than it sounds like your teachers don't understand the bible, or basic hermeneutics.


I have prayed for understanding, been discipled and realize that, He will reveal to you that Christ is the creator of all, and not simply the brother of Satan, as well as help you understand His word.
Too many want to make God in their own image rather than to understand the main and plain things written in His word.
You my friend are an example of someone who wants to be a god of their own world, and doesn't understand that their is only one God of all universes, and one Creator of all universes, and his name is Jesus


We all choose our own path, and all I can do is share the truth of His word, the decision to accept it or deny it is yours. its not what I say, it is the simple truth of what Gods word says.

Merry Christmas

[d0091sa]

I just want to know if the holy ghost is going to get a body before it's all said and done [emoji38]

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[-hanko]

Yes, as I already stated Jesus Christ is the Creator of all things but he NEVER claimed to be The Father. Jesus Christ did not pray to himself when he was on the earth. I am pretty sure your understanding of the Godhead is not clear at all.

Jesus Christ did not give birth to himself with marry. The General Christian concept of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost takes Faith the size of the universe to believe. Impossible to imagine and confusing to explain. Believe as you will.

Thanks for the chance to clear up some of the lies spread about the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. Only revelation from God will clear up confusion found in the thousands of churches in America, that all read the same Bible.

Back on topic
The structure and pattern of running our Church works extremely well with an unpaid ministry. It works on a small scale also and worthy of following for success in your own ministry’s.

The general Christian belief of the Trinity has been in place since Christ's reappearance after His death, but prior to Ascension from earth...same time and place the Holy Spirt appeared in the form of fire.

The Trinity is what's known as a "mystery of faith". No faith, no belief.

Do you recognize and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

Good to know that claiming to find gold tablets removed all the BS over the past two millennia.

[colossians323]

Never claimed Jesus is God the father, read the scripture I posted again.
Your claims is he is lucifers brother. therefore you worship lucifers brother
Christians claim is he is the Word, the word became flesh, He is the Alpha and Omega, and the creator of Lucifer.
Lucifer was not there in the beginning, nor has he created anything./˘n who you say Jesus is.
Peter was asked this and answered correctly. Mormons are asked this and answer "Lucifers brother".
You have been given several scriptures and keep getting lead to Gods word, and only comeback with "this is how I believe" with nothing to substantiate your belief.
Either you believe what Scripture says or you don't, either you understand the scripture or you don't. by your defense of your faith in Lucifer's brother, it appears you are a typical mormon. One with no grasp of Gods word, but only of the word of Joseph smith.

[tsmithson]

Never claimed Jesus is God the father, read the scripture I posted again.
Your claims is he is lucifers brother. therefore you worship lucifers brother
Christians claim is he is the Word, the word became flesh, He is the Alpha and Omega, and the creator of Lucifer.
Lucifer was not there in the beginning, nor has he created anything./˘n who you say Jesus is.
Peter was asked this and answered correctly. Mormons are asked this and answer "Lucifers brother".
You have been given several scriptures and keep getting lead to Gods word, and only comeback with "this is how I believe" with nothing to substantiate your belief.
Either you believe what Scripture says or you don't, either you understand the scripture or you don't. by your defense of your faith in Lucifer's brother, it appears you are a typical mormon. One with no grasp of Gods word, but only of the word of Joseph smith.

You know I know the scriptures and have read them by the posts I’ve made.
Is Satan the piece of meat you are choking on. I thought I was clear-we are all spirit children of God The Father. That makes Satan your brother too. And Jesus Christ. But Jesus was so righteous and the first born spirit that the Father choose him to be in the Godhead and to perform the Creation, Atonement and resurrection. While Jesus was on earth he never told anyone to pray to him but the Father.
We all have the potential as children of God The Father to become like him or fallen and become like Satan. Or somewhere in between. In the final Judgment a few who lived on the earth after they are resurrected will be cast into Outer Darkness with Satan. The rest will receive some degree of glory in the kingdom of God.
Or do you not believe Jesus Christ- That we are God’s children. Gen- God created man in his own image. Just like Jesus was created in the express image of his Father. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us.(one in purpose)
Your greatest failure about me and the scriptures I pointed out in other posts is- I have received revelation like peter. I know who Christ is and have seen him. while you can only quote scriptures of things other men have received revelation on in the Bible. Your silence on the trinity theory speaks volumes.
I have also posted how to pray to be forgiven of sins- that I have done several times in my life with wonderful experiences at those times. I have received revelation that the Book Of Mormon is true. The Book Of Mormon is available for anyone to read and judge for themselves. Those who join the true Church Of Christ are given the Gift Of The Holy Ghost as a constant companion.

All men are free to choose- that is one of the tests in this life. Good luck friend.

[tsmithson]

Not confused at all. the one who is not using Gods word seems confused, and I am simply trying to direct you to Gods word, not my word. You seem to only have your word and rely on what you say and think. Here is what Gods word says on this subject.



Here we see that Jesus was there in the beginning (bolded to help you understand His word), Jesus was the beginning, and Jesus created all things and all universes.
Either the Bible is right when it says Jesus created all things and NOTHING was made without him, or the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it would be your due diligence to show us where the bible is wrong, wouldn't it?
If indeed the bible is right, and Jesus created "everything" we see He was the Creator of Lucifer from this simple to understand passage (no need for use of hermeneutics), thus showing if you believe the mormon narrative you are worshiping the brother of lucifer, where as Christianity worships the creator of all universes.

I have no problem with this other than it sounds like your teachers don't understand the bible, or basic hermeneutics.


I have prayed for understanding, been discipled and realize that, He will reveal to you that Christ is the creator of all, and not simply the brother of Satan, as well as help you understand His word.
Too many want to make God in their own image rather than to understand the main and plain things written in His word.
You my friend are an example of someone who wants to be a god of their own world, and doesn't understand that their is only one God of all universes, and one Creator of all universes, and his name is Jesus


We all choose our own path, and all I can do is share the truth of His word, the decision to accept it or deny it is yours. its not what I say, it is the simple truth of what Gods word says.

Merry Christmas

One more thought from your line of reasoning as it applies to scripture.
Jesus Christ was the creator of universe but with your EVERYTHING- Do you believe he created his Father? Right after he created himself?