Why did Elisha need a minstrel in order to prophesy?

[Kokopelli]

Again, depends on how you define "worship band" and who the individuals are. I've seen some where the worship team was unsaved, and so they were certainly under Satan's control per Ephesians 2:2. I've seen some where the worship team's performance was in the flesh and not of the Spirit. And, I've seen some where the worship team was filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18) and the music then was a result (Eph. 5:19-20). I won't generalize to "all" worship groups because I can't.

Well, it has to be either "of the world" (Satanic) or "pleasing to The Lord" (Holy Spirit led.)

How about you post a YouTube video of a church that you would say is performing Satanic music, as well as a second video of a church that is playing true 'Pleasing to The Lord', Holy Spirit filled music? I'd like to see the difference between the two. As you said, you've seen worship teams who were unsaved and under satan's power. I'd like to see an example of that.

[billvau]

Well, it has to be either "of the world" (Satanic) or "pleasing to The Lord" (Holy Spirit led.)

How about you post a YouTube video of a church that you would say is performing Satanic music, as well as a second video of a church that is playing true 'Pleasing to The Lord', Holy Spirit filled music? I'd like to see the difference between the two. As you said, you've seen worship teams who were unsaved and under satan's power. I'd like to see an example of that.

You're right, it is ultimately one or the other. And, ultimately, only the Lord knows which it is. Sometimes we can see it too. Sometimes we can't.

Sorry, watching videos is not the same as see the whole service in person - and even talking with people before and after.

God bless and enjoy the worship you enjoy!

[billvau]

weird, pianist is not a biblical term, so there are many possible meanings. What does that actually mean since the piano wasn't even an instrument in biblical times?

If it was as clear as you thought, there would not be as many questions into what you think worship music, or "worship pianist" means. I actually thought this thread was specifically music, not all the specific aspects of worship, which are more than just music.

What did you think this thread was about?

Since you also avoided the question about sound equipment, does your church use sound equipment, even though it is a distraction. or do you contradict what you say about distractions?

Sorry, not going to bite. God bless!

[Kokopelli]

You're right, it is ultimately one or the other. And, ultimately, only the Lord knows which it is. Sometimes we can see it too. Sometimes we can't.

Sorry, watching videos is not the same as see the whole service in person - and even talking with people before and after.

God bless and enjoy the worship you enjoy!

[colossians323]

Sorry, not going to bite. God bless!

Interesting, not asking for a bite, looking for clarification based off of the conflicting posts you are making. Logic (a gift from God) should be used at this point.

IF your posts were not contradicting themselves no clarification would be needed.

1 Peter 3:15(NASB)

15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

[colossians323]

What I learned from some in this thread. Your video is a distraction from God

[billvau]

Obviously, some here are either not understanding or not accepting my answers in this thread. Please understand that Scripture doesn't always answer us the way we want to be answered. Let me make a few points off the top of my head and then let's move on.

First, sometimes Scripture is downright straightforward and obvious: Flee immorality (1 Cor. 6:18) is an example. There are direct commands to do or not to do!

Second, God is immutable and has only one view on every subject. So, although there is only one interpretation per subject, there are many applications.

Third, there isn't a lot in the New Testament about "worship." The biggest section is Ephesians 4:11-16 and is about the edification / building of the church by Pastors and Teachers. Ephesians 5:18-21 / Colossians 3:16 are parallel passages that speak of singing as a result of being filled with the Spirit and being richly indwelt with the Word of Christ.

So, what we have to do is discern each worship situation with principles of Scripture. The Bible acts kind of like guard rails on a highway do - you bounce up against a principle and it constrains you to the righteous path.

The best principle I ever learned about Worship was from Clayton Erb at Seminary (he's music director at Grace Community Church). He said that everyone who participates in worship (i.e. up front and in sound booths,etc.) should be a deacon / deaconess - meeting the full criteria of 1 Tim. 3. Those criteria teach that a deacon / deaconess need to be as spiritually qualified as elders. The difference is that elders must be able to teach and must be men.

So, consider these thoughts and tomorrow morning put aside everything of the world and go to church with one thought - giving glory to God in every aspect of your worship. Sing to Him, listen to the Scripture reading for what it is - God's word being read back to Him, and listen/learn during the sermon as God intends - for His word to be glorified through teaching and applied in your life so that you become more like Christ and, thereby, glorify Him more and more in all you think and to (2 Cor. 3:18; Ephesians 4:7-11). And, you'll find that with this focus, He will bless you in return both during and after the service.

God bless,
Bill

[Alan Block]

Opening hymn at the service this morning was the theme to Laverne and Shirley. Oyyyy

[Kokopelli]

Opening hymn at the service this morning was the theme to Laverne and Shirley. Oyyyy

That's a theme song, not a hymn. Did the worship leader actually ask everyone to sing along?

[Alan Block]

Yes indeed, The words were posted on the screen.

[billvau]

Opening hymn at the service this morning was the theme to Laverne and Shirley. Oyyyy

Time to find a new church, if yours is supposedly a "Christian" church. Otherwise, if it's not, then enjoy the music!

[Kokopelli]

Yes indeed, The words were posted on the screen.

Got it. The words were on the screen. Was it part of a skit or topic theme? Were you asked to sing along?

[Alan Block]

People were encouraged to sing it yes. There is a very good reason I on't sing. It did have relevance to the service theme.