Has Jesus's material message been misinterpreted?

[RAMCLAP]

Exactly where did I mention any government interference? I think you are projecting there. I simply describe a very likely scenario commonly found in capitalism and the aftermath, nothing about a government.
You do recognize that there were toxic lethal fogs that overtook London during the good old unfettered coal industrial age capitalism, right? Maybe that God planned to take those 12.000 dead there in 1952.
No problem, an acceptable price for the profits in your view I'd speculate. Way lots of capitalistic profits to be made on War too. Always has been, even notably the Crusades.
Didn't Jesus and or the Scriptures prescribe being good stewards? I'd say good stewardship is in jeopardy of becoming extinct. Got any example where socialism caused large environmental damages/ toxic releases-consequences?
Standing by.

Why yes I do. Ever heard of Chernobyl? How about this one?

https://news.vice.com/article/the-soviet-union-dumped-a-bunch-of-nuclear-submarines-reactors-and-containers-into-the-ocean

Have you seen the hundreds of islands in the south China Sea destroyed by the Chinese? Jesus is our King. We have no need for a big state. He came to set us free not put us in bondage.

[WASR10]

Exactly where did I mention any government interference?

Right here:

Capitalism genetically modifies the fish so that it can survive a toxic environment, made toxic by the drive to make things 'cheaper',
and externalizes (doesn't deal with at any level) the costs associated with the toxicity it produces for everyone else

Only you mislabel it as capitalism.

I think you are projecting there. I simply describe a very likely scenario commonly found in capitalism and the aftermath, nothing about a government.

Again, It is not capitalism you describe, it is government regulation.

You do recognize that there were toxic lethal fogs that overtook London during the good old unfettered coal industrial age capitalism, right?
Maybe that God planned to take those 12.000 dead there in 1952.

Why do you equate capitalism with God's will? Talk about projecting...

No problem, an acceptable price for the profits in your view I'd speculate. Way lots of capitalistic profits to be made on War too. Always has been, even notably the Crusades.

Sun Tzu describes how war can be a boost for local economy, are you suggesting China was capitalist in 500 BC? What do the crusades have to do with anything?

Didn't Jesus and or the Scriptures prescribe being good stewards? I'd say good stewardship is in jeopardy of becoming extinct. Got any example where socialism caused large environmental damages/ toxic releases-consequences?
Standing by.

East Germany, Eitzig, 1960
Russia, Oka river, 1965
China, Sichuan, 1980
Ukrain, Chernobyl, 1986
Poland, Silesia, 1990
Czechosavakia, Bohemia, 1990
Venezuela, Caracas, 2004

The list goes on and on.

[Sailormilan2]

Why yes I do. Ever heard of Chernobyl? How about this one?

https://news.vice.com/article/the-soviet-union-dumped-a-bunch-of-nuclear-submarines-reactors-and-containers-into-the-ocean

Have you seen the hundreds of islands in the south China Sea destroyed by the Chinese? Jesus is our King. We have no need for a big state. He came to set us free not put us in bondage.

You failed to mention Russia's diverting of the rivers going into the Aral Sea. They wanted to make desert regions able to grow crops. By diverting the rivers, they are causing the Aral Sea to dry up.

http://www.columbia.edu/~tmt2120/introduction.htm

Let alone Russia's dealings with nuclear waste disposal.

[RAMCLAP]

You are correct.

[RozaShanina]

Leaving the salvation of our souls to another discussion, this fellow believes so Jesus message had a more material aspect also. :

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017...-not-sins.html

I would be interested to read the book. While I do not necessarily agree with the author's premise as presented in the synopsis, it is true the Christian Church has tended to look the other way when it comes to Jesus preaching and teaching on wealth.

Jesus spoke more about the dangers of wealth than he did about prayer. The Gospels are full of such stories: The Rich Young Ruler; The Rich Man and Lazarus; The Man Building Bigger Barns; The Magnificat ("He has filled the hungry withy good things and the rich He has sent away empty")and in Luke's Gospel: "Woe to you who are rich!"

The only true Communist society was the early Christian Church. All in all the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a very subversive document.

[CVShooter]

The author makes a few good points but, like Marx, sees everything in economic terms. It's like an economist who moves out of state to save money on taxes. Yes, they might be right. But they forget the entire point of having money in the first place -- to have the freedom to live wherever and do whatever you darn well please.

Economics is VERY strong in Jesus's message because it was a major issue of his day. But politics, religion and economics weren't separate spheres like they are (or how we think about them) today. The term "Messiah" (pronounced Meshiach in Hebrew) was mostly political but with religious overtones. It wasn't all economics. But economics was undoubtedly part of it.

Jesus was a complex man. Reducing him down to one issue does him a disservice. He was concerned with how spiritual thought & law was put into practice and how certain practices, like not working on Shabbat, often ignored more important matters of life and faith, like helping the needy or simply feeding yourself.

People often think that Jesus was 100% logically consistent and confidently knew everything he ever said. He often backpedaled into more lofty, spiritual matters after being challenged in ways that could get him arrested. It's an easy, tactical retreat so he could live to argue another day. Pretty wise course of action, I think. He pushed a lot of buttons! Putting the deity of Jesus aside, he was human. The temptation narrative and the crucifixion narratives make this pretty clear. Power, fame, ambition, questioning & doubt were all part of his story as much as justice, spirituality, etc. Seeing him as a man of his day, he wrestled with a lot of difficult ideas & a lot of problems. I respect his calls to cut the legalistic BS and get busy helping people. But simplifying that to ONLY economics and ONLY debt is a gross oversimplification. After all, there was already legal precedent for Jubilee, as others had pointed out. But that is notably absent anywhere in the gospels.