Sola scriptura

[WASR10]

No, 1 Timothy 3:15 does not say the opposite.

Of course the scriptures do not include a list of every book that it must contain just as it does not list every book it must not. It does not simply list every sin and every righteous act either. The bible does, however, give instruction on how to identify and reject false prophecy. Those instructions help us know what is from God and what is not.

Remember the words of Jude,

"Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith , which was once for all handed down to the saints" - Jude 3

[Rizzo]

Having a Catholic background, you should know better.
I was also raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, altar boy, etc.

Somewhere along your road you got twisted around with what to believe in.
It really isn't that hard to understand.
Like I posted earlier....
"Those that believe in Jesus and try to live their lives by Jesus' teachings are Christians. That about as simple as it gets."

I'd imagine that all of the Catholics would take issue with what you said about them not going to heaven because they do not follow your brand of Christianity.

Pretty arrogant there Bill.

In fairness to the OP, we are drifting off from the OP's topic and another thread may be in order for others to chime in if they wish.

[Roering]

I have been searching the Bible and have been unable to find this doctrine. Can someone point me to the verse(s) that instruct on this doctrine?

It's not in scripture. This is a newer teaching outside of scripture and the Church.
I think you knew that going in though.

[colossians323]

It's not in scripture. This is a newer teaching outside of scripture and the Church.
I think you knew that going in though.

It is clearly there. Why are you having a hard time understanding Gods words?
All revelation for us is provided in His word. There are no new prophets, there will be no new prophets, and the Canon of scripture is complete. As Jesus said on the cross. It is finished.

If we want to find the absolute truth, do we turn to God or man?

If you say man, how could a corrupt man give you the absolute truth without giving you the bible?

If you say God, we know the absolute truth is contained in the writings of men penned by the Holy Spirit.

All good disciple makers point to scripture and to the Son of Man.

[Cato]

The theory of Sola Scriptura came out of the Protestant Reformation.

It is based on the idea that God will guide readers of the Bible into correct interpretation and that the Roman Catholic Church has wrongly interpreted scripture.

So to subscribe to Sola Scriptura, you'll have to believe that YOU and those you trust will be able to correctly interpret scripture AND that scripture is absolutely infallible due to God's intervention.

[colossians323]

The theory of Sola Scriptura came out of the Protestant Reformation.

It is based on the idea that God will guide readers of the Bible into correct interpretation and that the Roman Catholic Church has wrongly interpreted scripture.

So to subscribe to Sola Scriptura, you'll have to believe that YOU and those you trust will be able to correctly interpret scripture AND that scripture is absolutely infallible due to God's intervention.

So if you're catholic does this mean that the Catholic church is the only way to interpret scripture?

As mentioned before, the interpretation of scripture is a strict science called hermeneutics. All people can follow, it is the same principal used to interpret the intent of the Constitution. It is timeless and flawless. However, we allow people to come in and play what if games rather than to stick to he strict guidelines of hermeneutics, this is why you have the looney left saying the second amendment is not a right, and doesn't mean what it says.

[billvau]

The theory of Sola Scriptura came out of the Protestant Reformation.

It is based on the idea that God will guide readers of the Bible into correct interpretation and that the Roman Catholic Church has wrongly interpreted scripture.

So to subscribe to Sola Scriptura, you'll have to believe that YOU and those you trust will be able to correctly interpret scripture AND that scripture is absolutely infallible due to God's intervention.

[Roering]

It is clearly there.

If you understand what Sola Scriptura is defined as, you will find that It is clearly not there.

Why are you having a hard time understanding Gods words?

Generally I don't, but when I need clarification I look to what Scripture has said is the support/pillar/foundation/groundwork of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

All revelation for us is provided in His word.

Utter nonsense. Statements like this make scripture out to be more than it is and more than it is intended to be and in the end leads would be believers to be set up for failure.

There are no new prophets, there will be no new prophets, and the Canon of scripture is complete.

On this I can agree

As Jesus said on the cross. It is finished.

Yes He said that, but considering that the books contained in the New Testament hadn't even been written yet, you are making a false assumption.

If we want to find the absolute truth, do we turn to God or man?

God of course, and those commissioned by God to help lead us to it. Doesn't support Sola Scriptura though. If it did then the act of prayer would be folly and obsolete.

All good disciple makers point to scripture and to the Son of Man.

Sure, but the Son of man has given us more than just Scripture for guidance.

[RAMCLAP]

Sure, but the Son of man has given us more than just Scripture for guidance.

Would you please elaborate on what moe He has given us?
Thanks.

[colossians323]

Sure, but the Son of man has given us more than just Scripture for guidance.

Would you please elaborate on what moe He has given us?
Thanks.

The Holy Spirit?

I am jelling on this for a minute before I respond

[RAMCLAP]

I absolutely would grant you the Holy Spirit. But He guides according to the Word of God. He doesn't guide ex-Biblica. Satan does that.

[eagershooter]

It seems to me the crux of OP problem is whether or not our cannon of scripture is credible or not.
OP- your rejection of sola scriptura stems from your doubts of the New Testament and it being pieced together after Christ's time on earth.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
- so either the New Testament is God's inerrant word or it's not. If it is, the logic is there for sola scriptura. If it's not, then you will have to find another way to Salvation outside of Christ.
2 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8&9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

God Bless you Bill for standing strong and preaching truth.

Happy thanksgiving everyone.



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[colossians323]

If you understand what Sola Scriptura is defined as, you will find that It is clearly not there.

What do you think sola scriptura is defined as?

Generally I don't, but when I need clarification I look to what Scripture has said is the support/pillar/foundation/groundwork of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

Okay, it just appears by your post you are having a hard time grappling with what scripture says and how to use basic interpretation techniques. Sometimes it is hard to determine what you are saying by what you are writing?

Utter nonsense. Statements like this make scripture out to be more than it is and more than it is intended to be and in the end leads would be believers to be set up for failure.

What other revelation are you receiving outside of his word? There is nothing new under the sun, and the canon of scriture is closed. There are no more prophets, and Jesus has risen. We have received the gift of the Holy Spirit, like Ramclap, I am having a hard time understanding what you mean here?

On this I can agree

Common ground is good

Yes He said that, but considering that the books contained in the New Testament hadn't even been written yet, you are making a false assumption.

The work is finished, there is nothing more to be done. They documented exactly what the Christ wanted documented. Nothing more, nothing less. What new revelation do you have that isn't offered in His word?

God of course,

So again we agree we turn to God and not men.

and those commissioned by God to help lead us to it. Doesn't support Sola Scriptura though. If it did then the act of prayer would be folly and obsolete.

And who are those commisioned by God?
We see in the great commission written for all the saints that this is our duty

Matthew 28:16-20 (NASB)
The Great Commission

16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

We see in Hebrews our further commission directly tieing into the great commission.

Hebrews 5:11-14
Warning Against Falling Away

11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

So here we see the author telling us we should be teachers, but the saints aren't taking the time to learn and apply, so they need someone to cottle them and hand them their baby bottles.
If you have been a Christian for more than 5 years, and you still find yourself craving the bottle, shouldn't it be time for a change?
Get involved? find a mentor(discipler)? Be a mentor(disciple someone)?
Teaching doesn't mean you stand in front of a class, but if you are not teaching someone, spread your wings and take the leap!

Sure, but the Son of man has given us more than just Scripture for guidance.

Again, are you talking about the Holy Spirit? Pastors? People in your life? Of course he has, but if they are not guiding you by the principles of the bible, where are they getting their guidance from?
IF you are being handed a baby bottle, I again encourage you to understand that you should be teaching and/or discipling.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

[billvau]

It seems to me the crux of OP problem is whether or not our cannon of scripture is credible or not.
OP- your rejection of sola scriptura stems from your doubts of the New Testament and it being pieced together after Christ's time on earth.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
- so either the New Testament is God's inerrant word or it's not. If it is, the logic is there for sola scriptura. If it's not, then you will have to find another way to Salvation outside of Christ.
2 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8&9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

God Bless you Bill for standing strong and preaching truth.

Happy thanksgiving everyone.



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Thanks, Eagershooter! God bless you too! Happy Thanksgiving!