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  • #31
    billvau
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 864

    Originally posted by eb47
    Are you saying that this was only for a certain time and people in history?
    No, didn't say that. Look at what I wrote.
    Pastor Bill

    "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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    • #32
      billvau
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2016
      • 864

      Originally posted by eb47
      When did Adam and Eve walk with God in the garden? I hope you are not referring to Gen. 3:8
      If so, yes it is unbiblical. They hid when they heard him walking in the cool of the day. "The cool of the day" many preachers have different opinions on this portion of scripture. Who's right, who's wrong? All are speculation. I believe that it could also have meant the time of day it was. Like in today's weather, it tends to be cooler in either the early morning or later in the evening. That's one of the many questions I'll have answered in Heaven.
      Obviously, in Gen. 3:8 they weren't walking in the garden, they were hiding.
      Pastor Bill

      "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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      • #33
        billvau
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2016
        • 864

        Originally posted by eb47
        What in the world are you talking about? John 14:18-20 Jesus said that he would not leave us comfortless. Not only would he return to us but he would be in us. This is just one example too. Never leave you, nor forsake you? A friend that sticks closer than a brother? Omni present? How can he leave if he's everywhere at all times? Even time itself, he dwells outside of it so he's not restricted by it. Sorry but I don't believe that him no longer striving with man holds water.
        Not talking about anything in the world - just what's in the Bible - in context.

        You're quoting verses but they don't say that He still speaks to us. Yes, He is in me, and I in Him. Yes, He will never leave me nor forsake me, Yes, He's omnipresent (through the Holy Spirit). These are all true, but the Bible doesn't teach that He speaks to me now - I don't hear His voice as a person talking to me. I hear Him through the Bible. Jesus Christ IS the Word (John 1:1). And, Heb 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." So, only the Bible is the Living Word of God. No other book is. And, I have the Holy Spirit to teach me through the Bible (1 Cor. 2:12-13). This is Theology 101.
        Pastor Bill

        "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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        • #34
          RozaShanina
          Formerly carlosdanger
          • Jul 2013
          • 296

          BUT, the NT shows/teaches that these ceased. This is the whole area of theology that covers the cessation of gifts, etc. There are many things, many ways that God has changed over the course of history. Just start with the Garden of Eden - He walked in the garden with Adam and Eve. That ended when they were kicked out of the garden.
          According to the Midrash when God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden, three left the Garden. God went with Adam and Eve.

          Having God's Word to learn and live by is BETTER than visions!
          Prove it! Shortly before St. Thomas Aquinas died he had a vision and when he opened his eyes he said: "Everything I have written, it is like straw!"

          Seems to me an amalgam of both is preferable.

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          • #35
            billvau
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2016
            • 864

            Originally posted by carlosdanger
            According to the Midrash when God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden, three left the Garden. God went with Adam and Eve.
            Midrash? I'll only discuss the Bible as it ALONE is God's word.

            Prove it! Shortly before St. Thomas Aquinas died he had a vision and when he opened his eyes he said: "Everything I have written, it is like straw!"
            I did prove it. I told you what Peter taught us: In 2 Peter 1:16-21, Peter relates how they were blessed to be at the Transfiguration of Christ. Imagine how glorious that must've been to see Christ, Moses, and Elijah! BUT, then Peter says that we have it even better, because we've got the Bible! Peter is saying that having God's Word to learn and live by is BETTER than visions!

            Seems to me an amalgam of both is preferable.
            There's your problem. The Bible is the only source of God's truth. If you use the Bible and the Midrash, then you have the problem above -they disagree. How do you pick which one? Answer: you're own fallen reasoning.

            If you want to keep discussing this with me, it's Bible only.
            Pastor Bill

            "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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            • #36
              colossians323
              Crusader for the truth!
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2005
              • 21637

              Carlos Danger banned from the OT? Now he is stirring up **** here? Reported
              LIVE FREE OR DIE!

              M. Sage's I have a dream speech;

              Originally posted by M. Sage
              I dream about the day that the average would-be rapist is afraid to approach a woman who's walking alone at night. I dream of the day when two punks talk each other out of sticking up a liquor store because it's too damn risky.

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              • #37
                Big bug
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 705

                Angels....they are out there....this I know.....

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                • #38
                  RozaShanina
                  Formerly carlosdanger
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 296

                  Originally posted by colossians323
                  Carlos Danger banned from the OT? Now he is stirring up **** here? Reported
                  Ah, yes, there are unfortunately a number of poor, delicate snowflakes on this forum who simply cannot stand to have their own little echo chamber disrupted by intelligent and enlightened discourse. Fearful of having their beliefs challenged they insist on reporting and banning those who dare question the party line. It has happened to a lot of people.

                  You on the other hand are the only person I know who has been banned from the Second Amendment discussion area for general dickishness. Jesus would be so proud.

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                  • #39
                    eta34
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 2432

                    ^Classy.

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