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^^^The above is just an opinion.
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Hadn't read the sticky. I joined to chime in on a discussion that I was sent a link to and not to offend anyone on a specifically religious forum. Comment withdrawn.Last edited by asocial penguin; 03-28-2015, 12:43 AM.Comment
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I don't get offended easily and everyone has a right to their opinion, but its good to keep a heads up of what forum your posting in. I wouldn't go into the ladies forum and start brow beating them over some issue I had with a woman. Time and place for everything.^^^The above is just an opinion.
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"...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas JeffersonComment
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In the book: Conversations with God by Donald Walsch (sic?), he says that Hitler went to heaven.
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Would you have anything to do with a deity that accepted this kind of intentionally dishonest Clintonian cross your fingers behind your back hair splitting?
It seems to me that the question is illogical on the face of it: Repentance can not happen until after the act has had its end and the consequence begins to loom. It's otherwise just changing your mind and you cannot do that AFTER an act is initiated AND before any of its effects have been felt. To repent is to understand your actions were wrong in the first place after having taken them. Theological get out of jail free cards do not get to be used unless you're actually in theological jail so to speak.
Peter could not repent for denying jesus until he had done it. Until then he could only look with sadness at the future which had been preordained for him. He could loathe what god was going to force him to do but could not change it despite his stated desires in that direction and his hatred for actions he knew he'd take in the future did not equal repentance.Comment
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None of you know if he's going to heaven. Does anyone but God know the demons that haunted him? That turned someone with an awesome life into a cowardly murder?
No one does. And no one here can make any definitive statement about who goes to heaven or hell.-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0Comment
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Since the OP didn't specify, I'm going to assume we are discussing the Christian path into heaven. If the pilot was a believer (believed that Jesus died for his sins and rose from the dead) then the answer is YES he is now in heaven. We are all sinners in the eyes of God and all sins are equal and we all continue to sin even after becoming a believer, "saved" or what have you. So if he had lust in his heart, hate for his parents, murdered 1 person (or 150) or had just worked on the Sabbath he still goes to heaven.Comment
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Uhmmmm, it's been reported that the co-pilot was a Muslim convert. Y'all knew that, right?
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I gave up religion years ago but I find the notion that this murderer could be enjoying some ultimate eternal reward while people like myself who lead the best lives we can are damned to the worst kind of torture imaginable for eternity (for simply being born human and being skeptical) to be completely perverse.
However, to answer as a Christian (which was my religion of choice back when I believed), I would have to say that the co-pilot went to heaven if he was a born again Christian. As I understand it, the bible says that salvation cannot be lost once it is accepted. So if you go strictly by what the bible says, the murderer gets to go to heaven whether he repented as he slammed into the mountain or whether he turned to face the passengers and flipped them the bird in those final moments.
Kind of ironic that someone like myself (who has yet to murder anyone) is said to be damned to eternal torture with no hope to be saved. Since by hearing the gospel at one time and believing it to be true, and then by questioning it thoroughly and ultimately rejecting it as a lie created by men to control other men, I have committed the ONLY sin that the bible deems unforgivable.Last edited by asocial penguin; 03-28-2015, 10:13 PM.Comment
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It isn't whether you murdered that is the issue. Your deeds will gain you nothing. Your deeds emanate from your nature and mans nature is not good. So, man is already condemned and has it coming.
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13 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Repent and believe that Jesus is the Christ and you will be saved. Or don't.Psalm 103
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