Collapsable or Straight Stick?

[Petro6golf]

I carry a 26" Peace Keeper RCB which I love. Ive been carrying it for a couple years, havent used it yet but I know its there and I feel confident with its use. But........ lately I've been thinking maybe I wanna change to a good quality cocobolo straight stick. No real reason, just a thought thats popped in my head.

Should I keep the Peace Keeper, upgrade to a 29" peace keeper or go to the straight stick? Pros? Cons? The only reason I can think to keep the collapsable is that I never use it so why change it.

[Zedrek]

I'm not LEO but I'm bored so I'll offer my $.02 worth. If you are used to the collapsible why change? I would think that the straight stick would just be one more thing that you would have to think about getting each time you get out of your vehicle whereas the RCB is probably already on your belt. If it's been a couple of years and you haven't had to use it I think you would probably be more likely to leave the straight stick behind after a while. Just my thoughts.

[hitman13]

I'm not LEO but I'm bored so I'll offer my $.02 worth. If you are used to the collapsible why change? I would think that the straight stick would just be one more thing that you would have to think about getting each time you get out of your vehicle whereas the RCB is probably already on your belt. If it's been a couple of years and you haven't had to use it I think you would probably be more likely to leave the straight stick behind after a while. Just my thoughts.

THEY SUCK.....

[benjamin101677]

Most agencies I know of including me carry both a collapsable and a straight stick. Collapsable is carried on the belt and always there when something goes bad, the straight stick is kept in the car and I only pull it out on times when I think I am going to need it i.e. a bar fight etc. So I if your agency allows I would carry both

[P5Ret]

It has been awhile since I carried either, but when the collapsible batons came out I thought it was a good idea, right up until the first fight in the local biker bar. Turns out that it was a bit difficult to deploy in close quarters, and pretty much useless for jabs. Switched back to the 29" purple heart that night. It isn't as hard to drive with it on you as most people think. It takes some getting used to but it isn't hard. I'm 6'4" and had no problems.

[1-M-42]

Carried a PR-24 back in the days they were in style, went back to my blond straight stick and used that through 10 years of motors. I've been in an investigative unit since '98 so I keep an ASP in the car...although the old baton and it's bigger brother, the straight riot baton, are in the trunk with all the tactical gear.

[1SAM]

I too have been contemplating the same thing as the OP however my 26 inch RCB rattles a lot when I walk or do anything. It's almost like a obnoxious clicking noise... That's the reason I'm thinking of switching to the straight stick. OP are you having any rattling noises from your baton?

I have been looking at these straight stick batons online. http://www.ninjanatewoodworking.com/...014-p-164.html

[gunner336]

baton

I carry issued collasible on my belt as required but have my expensive straight stick in the car at all times. I take it out when I believe I may need it. I think its appearence on occasions is more effective than the little collasible.

[Falconis]

I carry issued collasible on my belt as required but have my expensive straight stick in the car at all times. I take it out when I believe I may need it. I think its appearence on occasions is more effective than the little collasible.

About sums it up

[oddjob]

gunner336 has the solution......

slightly off topic.........

I carried a collapsible baton in my last years before retirement. I ate lunch at my desk and my hands were a little greasy. One of our my sworn staff asked how the baton is deployed (it was laying on my desk). Like an idiot I "flicked" it open and promptly launched it and punched a hole in my office wall.

[NineteenElev3n]

gunner336 has the solution......

slightly off topic.........

I carried a collapsible baton in my last years before retirement. I ate lunch at my desk and my hands were a little greasy. One of our my sworn staff asked how the baton is deployed (it was laying on my desk). Like an idiot I "flicked" it open and promptly launched it and punched a hole in my office wall.

That must have been a "That guy" story for awhile. That's pretty awesome.

[Samuelx]

gunner336 has the solution......

slightly off topic.........

I carried a collapsible baton in my last years before retirement. I ate lunch at my desk and my hands were a little greasy. One of our my sworn staff asked how the baton is deployed (it was laying on my desk). Like an idiot I "flicked" it open and promptly launched it and punched a hole in my office wall.

impact weapon "desk pop"?

[Samuelx]

I carry a 26" Peace Keeper RCB which I love. Ive been carrying it for a couple years, havent used it yet but I know its there and I feel confident with its use. But........ lately I've been thinking maybe I wanna change to a good quality cocobolo straight stick. No real reason, just a thought thats popped in my head.

Should I keep the Peace Keeper, upgrade to a 29" peace keeper or go to the straight stick? Pros? Cons? The only reason I can think to keep the collapsable is that I never use it so why change it.

1. have you had a situation where form factor (expandable vs one piece, or any other difference in features) was an issue?

2. have you had a situation where reach factor (26" vs 29") was an issue?

IMO, impact weapon training (e.g. FMA, DBMA, etal) is more important than the impact weapon itself (or which kind/model impact weapon you carry)

[Petro6golf]

1. have you had a situation where form factor (expandable vs one piece, or any other difference in features) was an issue?

2. have you had a situation where reach factor (26" vs 29") was an issue?

IMO, impact weapon training (e.g. FMA, DBMA, etal) is more important than the impact weapon itself (or which kind/model impact weapon you carry)

No I havent. I work for a fairly busy dept and havent even pulled it out yet and have only pulled my Taser a handfull of times. Im more of a hands on guy.

As far as the rattle noise. It rattles a bit but I just force it into its holder more with a bit of a twist and it secures it fairly well.

[SquareLite]

The Monadnock baton with the tacky rubber grip is the way to go. No rattling noise, easy to deploy, and it has a button to close it rather than pounding it against the ground. Therefore it won't collapse if you jab someone with it.

I hated mine with a passion. I've seen so man fail. They don't feeling earl as balanced as my 29" dymondwood. The straight stick has its disadvantages too. It is something you need to train yourself to grab everytime you get out. They swing around a bit. When you are in a foot pursuit, it needs to be carried so you don't lose it; which usually turns out to be a good thing at the end of the foot pursuit. When it comes time to actually use the baton, there is not a single disadvantage to using the 29" dymondwood. They are extremely dense and feel 10x better than any extendable.