Retiree CCW at Legoland

[CalCop]

Disney does not have a sign prohibiting firearms, does not have metal detectors, and when they search your backpack, they do not ask you if you have a gun. So, how can your agency discipline you if you CCW there? I have carried my concealed duty weapon every time I have gone there...no issues at all. I like six flags policy...you badge them and get to skip security.

[cuchillo negro]

When I was an LEO I just left my gun, which I kept in a fanny pack, in the lockers they provide for everyone. Never seen an incident at Disneyland where a gun would be needed.

[CalCop]

Are you implying that the only places you CCW are the places you have witnessed incidents?

Oh wait, you said you wore a fanny pack...never mind.

[cuchillo negro]

Are you implying that Disneyland is so dangerous that you need to tote a gun around? Oh never mind you are from Sacramento!

[CalCop]

I carry my weapon everywhere I go. I also wear a seatbelt everytime I drive. Not because I predict something bad will happen. Because being prepared is important to me.

I do not mock my LEO brothers who choose not to carry everywhere they go. But, your implication is that nothing bad will happen at Disneyland...that assumption makes me doubt you are/were a LEO. Anywhere on this earth can become so dangerous that a gun is needed...in about half a second. Even the happiest place on earth. Anyone with LEO experience knows this.

[cuchillo negro]

[pooberto]

There's no place like DisneyLand!

As a non LEO LTC permit holder, I agree with the above post. I respect the property owners right to post "No Firearms" signs, I don't patronize their establishments, they don't deserve my money. There are too many other places offering the same services that don't restrict my right to carry.



Good information, thanks.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

I have carried at Disneyland before and like CalCop said I have never seen any sign indicating a "no gun" policy either. I have since found out that they do have a policy. The last time I was there I docked it in my veh, but that was primarily because I didn't feel like toting it all day not because I think nothng can ever happen at an amusement park. Some seem to think certain places are immune to violent crime for some reason. My thoughts are that if they are going to have a no gun policy then they should insure no one is bringing them in (ie metal detectors) because I am willing to bet the gang bangers that go to amusement parks don't give a dam.

I think if you inquired into it enough you would probably find that the majority of chain businesses have no gun policies. I bet so many that you might as well leave the piece at home or in your vehicle. I wonder what their policies are about guns left in their parking lots? I would bet they don't like that either. If you want to be letter of the law it might be best to just keep it at home. Any of you guys driven by a school zone carrying?

[CalCop]

When the next nut job pulls out an AK and starts killing everyone in sight...if I am unprepared to neutralize that threat because I am unarmed...and can only watch and pray as children are slaughtered...I will not be able to forgive myself.

[CalCop]

Stuck,
We are exempt from the GFSZ.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Stuck,
We are exempt from the GFSZ.

I may be mistaken but I don't recall any LE exemptions for GFSZ. I do recall this matter being discussed here before and the funny thing was civ CCW seemed to be exempt but not off duty LE. I have also researched the section a while back and I remeber being baffled that LE wasn't exempt.

[CalCop]

CA PC 626.9(l) exempts peace officers. The part requiring that the CCW be during "official duties" only applies to out of state peace officers.

"This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of
Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code."

[SoulStealer]

Here is Legoland's policy:

Legoland California: Legoland has a policy that does not allow firearms in the park. Prior to entering the park, you may meet with guest services and they will arrange for you to meet with a security supervisor to place your weapon in a special safe while you spend time at the park.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

When the next nut job pulls out an AK and starts killing everyone in sight...if I am unprepared to neutralize that threat because I am unarmed...and can only watch and pray as children are slaughtered...I will not be able to forgive myself.

Funny thats one if the dilemas I have thought about many times with all the "unarmed victim zones". My gut tells me to always carry but I will admit I have broke weak on many occassions due to conveinence and possible "liabilities". Remember the Portland mall shooter. He off'ed himself right after being confronted by a civ CCW holder who was carryiing in a "no gun zone".
Had he not been carrying I think there would have been a lot more casualties.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

CA PC 626.9(l) exempts peace officers. The part requiring that the CCW be during "official duties" only applies to out of state peace officers.

"This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of
Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code."

Do you interpret "who is carrying out official duties in California" to mean even when off duty. I have been under the impression that if a local did a traffic stop on me while I was driving past a GFSZ that I might be going for a ride if he was a letter of the law type.