SWAT AR-15's full auto?

[oddjob]

I (we) were told to avoid the 2/3 shot burst selector switch full autos. It was more complicated and more things could go wrong. Training was the key and not the selector switch. As it turned out the instructors/manufacturers (yes....the manufacturers) were correct.

[Tacit Blue]

Mine too I guess...LOL



you have to understand that a lot of departments and tactical units don't have the funding to go out and buy brand new M4's with 3 rnd burst. They have old military surplus lowers with safe/semi/full that have maybe been outfitted with new uppers....therefore they train in trigger control and firing controlled 2-3 rnd burst in full auto. For my agency this is standard training. A course of fire for example might be a failure drill of 2-3 rnds center mass followed by 2 rnds to the head from 7 yds in full auto. 99.9% of the time they are shot in semi auto though. All of SWAT and some other specialized unit guns are full auto.....all the patrol rifles are semi only. Our MP-5's are a mix of the different triggers that are offered on the MP5A2/A3/A4. Some are S/E/F and some have the 4 position selector. We also have a couple of MP5SD's for dispatching animals and street lights.

It makes sense to borrow rifles from DRMO, or DoD and just use the full auto lower and put whatever the upper the agency wants. Since they are getting them for free, it's way more cost effective than buying a new M4a1 from Colt at MSRP.

[HisOwnHero]

We use the Colt M4A1 and UMP40 both of which are full auto.

[friedokra]

Surplus DoD

The department I used to work for (PD in SoCal) had surplus Vietnam era M16A1's issued to the SWAT team, and PRO (Primary Response Officer) members. We also had full auto MP5s that I had the opportunity to fire at the range (once...) but the RO never allowed me to go full auto.

[hitman_usmc]

I'm on SWAT and have a select fire (auto) 11" M4 and select fire MP5's. There are several strings of auto firing in bursts on our qual, however, I haven't ever really needed it for anything else.

[JMO8541]

Same as Hitman, FA from 10 yards and in. Semi after that. Most of the guys I work with prefer semi anyway. The MP5 is nails from this range and closer, but gets a little squirrelly beyond 10.

[its mcgavin son]

Maybe with all the federal grant money LE departments get (which seems to be endless), you guys could hook up with this bossman and learn how to smoke live bodies with a (1) semi-auto M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUmpl4JnDdA

In my combat experience, such select-fire modes hinder accuracy, are rarely used, and are plagued by inconsistent trigger pull.