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"Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen."
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What I'm saying is....if it is Joe citizen, there is no RS that a gun case has anything illegal, hence, I won't ask to search him. However, if I come across a convicted felon, no longer on parole even, I have RS to search the case because it is illegal for him to even have possession of a firearm.Last edited by CalCop; 06-13-2012, 8:16 PM."Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen."
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On the possession note, I no longer have them in this state, but if i get orders to come back to this state again and they are going to be stored on a military instilation is there any specifications for that type of situtaion. I was PCS'ing here when i was pulled over so i am still unclear as what i can have in storage on post. I am not a california resident i am just stationed here. Is there any exceptions for military who are out of state residents and going to keep their items stored on the base only or is it just a flat answer of they are not allowed in the state period.Comment
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i have a question about the gun shop i bought my xd from it said not legal for sale in ca it came with no mags. but the shop owner gave me 2 13 rnd "kits" that i keep at home when i go to the range i use my 10 rnd mag but i do keep the 13rnd mags at home loaded for just incase was that shop in the wrong for giving me the mag kits they have shut down the owner has passed away sometime last yearComment
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Ok, I have a thought on this. And may be a simple way to explain some of the confusion.
Maybe too simple
disclaimer...this is my understanding and not fact. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!!!
This is just an example for the sake of making the point.
I have a 92fs.
On 12-31-99 I bought 10 "hi cap mags"
Brand is not relevant.
On 1-2-00 all 10 mags were run over by a steam roller. Total destruction. Nothing salvageable.
I can buy 10 rebuild kits, assemble them and use them. Brand/style does not matter. As long as before the ban I had 10 mags and when I am done "repairing" my kits I still have 10. No more.
Before ban-10 mags. After ban 10 mags. If I keep this number I am safe.
Right???
Again this is just an example for argument sake.
ExampleOn a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.Comment
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The first problem is you said, ASSEMBLE a kit into a completely new magazine, not replace each part one at a time until nothing is left of the original. That is already illegal. The piecemeal approach, even if it appears to be a shell game, is technically the only legal way to do it. I don't think the law intended to make your preban mag count the post ban possession limit. How would they even know?
How about this.
You hit a pole with your car. You REPAIR the damaged fender with another fender with the parts department.
Or
Your car gets blown up by international terrorists and thrown off a cliff into the ocean because you are a spy and your cover was blown by a mole. There is nothing left of the car. You get another completely new car to REPLACE the old car.
See the difference between repair and replace?
If the prosecutor just explains the difference between those two concepts, you would be praying pretty hard that the jury still sympathizes with you.Last edited by Notorious; 06-14-2012, 10:27 AM.I like guns
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SARC_Mike, I'd suggest that Notorious has the current reasoning correct.
Where things become difficult is implementation/enforcement, and those difficulties seem to me to be characteristics of poorly-conceived law. But, knowing a thing would be hard to prove should not be taken as license to do that thing.ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page
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I have 'rebuilt' all of my USGI preban high caps into PMAGs because those USGI followers were pure crap and jammed all the time, plus the bodies were beat to hell and back. I also rebuilt an old busted 10/22 mag into a functional Ruger BX25, which are amazing mags by the way.
Though Notorious has a valid argument, its all up for interpretation as to how the law can actually be interpreted. We know the lawmakers didnt intend for us to 'rebuild' high capacity mags in the same way they didnt intend for us to have BB equipped evil looking rifles.
IMO, just dont be a shady individual and end up with more high caps than you started with and dont talk yourself into jail. Its hard enough to prove people illegally building brand new mags, its even harder to prove people are not rebuilding legit old mags piece by piece.Free CandyComment
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Ok, so I know I am picking at straws but continuing my example...
I take rebuild kit. Everything except the follower. My follower is from the destroyed mag. I install in and rebuild my mags. Find out my mags dont work well because my original follower is damaged. Install follower from rebuild kit. Now am I safe?
And I fully recognize I am doing a lot of nitpicking here...more just curious.On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.Comment
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Quite a lot of speculation on magazines has used up pixels at Calguns. (Good thing they're pretty much free.)
About all we really KNOW is what we see from DOJ in this doc. (Sorry, it's scanned as an image, can't cut and paste.) And even there, part of it is one of those 'there are 58 district attorneys who might prosecute anyway' statements.Last edited by Librarian; 06-14-2012, 3:56 PM.ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page
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Good nit to pick... however, I would submit that if the parts are not compatible, then you are still not "rebuilding" anything.
For example, you take a Pmag versus a GI mag, conceivably, if anything, the only thing that would work in both is the spring. The body, follower and floor plate are all different. Even the spring might not be compatible because of the ends where it is captured by the floor plate and follower.
So, how exactly would you use any of the parts from the donor mag to "repair" anything on the receiver mag?I like gunsComment
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