California Expandable Baton Laws

[seca]

I posted this in another section and a user suggested that I ask in this thread. The Question is on the 2007 Dangerous Weapons Control Law 12020 thru 12040 Unlawful Carrying and Possession Law.

As a retired California C/O (Peace Officer) with a valid CCW for my pistols' I was wondering if can I carry my monadnock baton? If so, does it have to be concealed? I had a incident a while ago while walking and the thought it might have come in handy and prevented a dog bite. I am not looking for felons in the bushes... Sheeest...

Thanks.. Enjoy all the posts!!
"You don’t shoot to kill you shoot to stay alive".

[mej16489]

Off the top of my head, there are no exemptions for retired LE for even simple posession.

Here's the renumbered relevant Penal Code

http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=3756987613+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

22210. Except as provided in Section 22215 and Chapter 1
(commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person
in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports
into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who
gives, lends, or possesses any leaded cane, or any instrument or
weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag,
sandclub, sap, or slungshot, is punishable by imprisonment in a
county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison.



22215. Section 22210 does not apply to the manufacture for, sale
to, exposing or keeping for sale to, importation of, or lending of
wooden clubs or batons to special police officers or uniformed
security guards authorized to carry any wooden club or baton pursuant
to Section 22295 by entities that are in the business of selling
wooden clubs or batons to special police officers and uniformed
security guards when engaging in transactions with those persons.

[seca]

I think you may be correct it is a SCOPE thing, after reading this I don't think its possible..

Anybody else?

California Penal Code Section 22295


(a) Nothing in any provision listed in Section 16580
prohibits any police officer, special police officer, peace officer,
or law enforcement officer from carrying any wooden club or baton.
(b) Nothing in any provision listed in Section 16580 prohibits a
uniformed security guard, regularly employed and compensated by a
person engaged in any lawful business, while actually employed and
engaged in protecting and preserving property or life within the
scope of employment,

[safewaysecurity]

Whatever happened to that nunchucku case out of NY?

[CAL.BAR]

So, in short. NO. you are retired. CCW notwithstanding, you are just a peon like the rest of us. Sure carry your gun all you want, but you'll put an eye out with that baton.

[tacticoolme]

...I had a incident a while ago while walking and the thought it might have come in handy and prevented a dog bite.

ASP Street Defender OC spray. Legal, easy to carry, works great to get aggressive dogs to back off.

[seca]

There is nothing wrong with being a peon.. I have waited many years for peon status, it's time to let it go. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh there is goes now.. I feel better.. Thanks for your response..

"Gun Control is not about guns; it’s about control"

[TASK, LLC]

Seca,

All I will say is "congratulations" to making it to where we are all trying to get to! Not as many officers make it to enjoy retirement as people think.

Good luck.

[bohoki]

the definitions are applied fast and loose an expandable baton seems to be none of these things

leaded cane is a devise used as a walking stick with added weight

or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy,(a small round weightedclub)
blackjack(a leather bag containing metal),
sandbag a leather bag full of sand
sandclub,a club full of sand
sap,a flat leather container of heavy material
or slungshot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slungshot

none of those items describe a expandable metal baton

[seca]

Seca,

All I will say is "congratulations" to making it to where we are all trying to get to! Not as many officers make it to enjoy retirement as people think.

Good luck.

Thanks a bunch the only knuckle head I want to ride anymore is in my garage!

[BigDogatPlay]

Retired = no impact weapons except perhaps a kubotan. There is no exemption for retirees.

[Ron-Solo]

A collapsible baton is a billy.

[TRICKSTER]

ASP Street Defender OC spray. Legal, easy to carry, works great to get aggressive dogs to back off.

Several years ago, there was a PD here in the Bay Area arresting people for these claiming that they were a billy club.

[the donald]

this law i find chuckle worthy. i have a softball bat felony, i have a firearm misdemeanor.


but my dad is a retired LEOhe had several batons, shorties, expandable, long, in a home defense situation if we were to use one?

they gave him a big plaque, it has his ID, badge, whistle, cuffs, and a baton. is that different from the above?

[PositiveInfluence]

You would need the baton permit required for security guards as well as a valid guard card to make that even possible. Plus you would only be able to carry it while on duty as a security guard.