California Expandable Baton Laws

[bohoki]

A collapsible baton is a billy.

what is the legal definiton of a billy

[Ron-Solo]

what is the legal definiton of a billy

Basically, any club type weapon.

[bohoki]

Basically, any club type weapon.

then why does the law not say that?

[Ron-Solo]

Because the law was written many years ago when billy was a more common term.

If you expect logic associated with California law, it will only make your head hurt.

[bohoki]

Because the law was written many years ago when billy was a more common term.

If you expect logic associated with California law, it will only make your head hurt.

i do not believe that i believe the law was written specifically and has since been interpreted broadly

[njineermike]

This is California. If you have to ask, it's illegal.

[Ron-Solo]

i do not believe that i believe the law was written specifically and has since been interpreted broadly

Just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean it isnt true. From eHow.com

History
British constables in the early to mid-nineteenth century carried wooden truncheons which quickly received the name "billy clubs" (or "bully clubs"). At that time, the truncheon was also a means of identification for a legitimate law enforcement officer, similar to they way a badge is used today. Every baton had the authoritative organization's coat of arms emblazoned on its side, for presentation to the individual being approached or apprehended. The billy club was such a simple and efficient tool, British officers continued to carry the traditional wooden version without major modifications up to the 1990s.

Etymology
Some debate surrounds the origin of the name. Most accounts attribute the "billy" club to a variation of the slang use of "bully" when referring to a London police officer in the Victorian era. Other accounts hold that the early London constables were called "billies" as they served as the law enforcement officers for King William IV, also known as "Old Bill." Therefore, any club they carried might reasonably be referred to as a "billy club." The billy club, while having been renamed and reinvented many times throughout the last few centuries, is still a standard part of the modern-day police

Uses
The billy club is primarily a non-lethal defensive weapon when wielded appropriately. It can be used to strike, ward off blows, aid in other defensive maneuvers and holds, or simply to threaten escalated aggression. It is not meant to deal lethal blows, and most police organizations that employ it specifically train their personnel not to strike the head or other vital areas of the human body, which could lead to death.

Variations
The billy club (truncheon, baton, nightstick, billystick) was historically made of wood and was no longer than the length of a person's arm. Recent variations are minimal and mostly include the material used--plastic or steel, for instance.

The side-handle baton is approximately 2 feet long and has a side-handle that sticks out at a right angle to the main shaft, about six inches from one end.

The expandable baton (or telescoping baton) is collapsible with two to three inner shafts that expand out and lock into place. It is typically made of steel, and can come in either the straight-stick or side-handle variety.

The stun baton is designed much like the straight-stick baton, with an electric shock capability used to stun and incapacitate a person.

Legality
The legality of carrying any type of club weapon designed or modified to do harm to a person varies from country to country and state to state. Most districts forbid non-law enforcement personnel to carry such an item.



Read more: What Is a Billy Club? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6459277_bi...#ixzz1vNJzOYaf

[Manolito]

I would venture to say that bad knee you got from a hands on call requires a walking stick to balance you on uneven pavement.

Dogs that have met the spray once can be scared away by holding hand out and hissing it is a sure sign they have been hit with spray.

Congratulations on your retirement. Now right a book while it is still fresh in your mind.

Possible title body cavities and fluids.
Or I was brave and ate the food

[bohoki]

i'm wondering if there is any blunt object can avoid that definition

[seca]

I would venture to say that bad knee you got from a hands on call requires a walking stick to balance you on uneven pavement.

Dogs that have met the spray once can be scared away by holding hand out and hissing it is a sure sign they have been hit with spray.

Congratulations on your retirement. Now right a book while it is still fresh in your mind.

Possible title body cavities and fluids.
Or I was brave and ate the food

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"If we make enough laws, we can all be criminals."

[dougtoni]

Congrats on your retirement. Ive got 18 down and 12 more togo. Hopefully...
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[smokechaser13]

firefighter and paramedic use of expandable baton

So,

with all the terrible crap that has happened to my fire service brothers on the east and south east coast of our beloved United States of America in recent days, a discussion has formed around the dinner table of my fire station in regards to how to effectively protect ourselves when we respond to fire and EMS incidents.

Now, we normally do not have law enforcement responding with us to 95% of our incident. We do have LE responding on domestics, fights, suicides, and 1144's. Of course, for the exception of the 1144's, we stage in the area until cleared by LE.

I have been in the fire service for 25 years and have had the unfortunate experience of being assulted, having weapons pulled on me, and even had my ambulace shot at. Some of my younger firefighters have had some of the same sh%t occure, working in beautiful downtown Compton and Ingelwood.

With all that said, understandibly, we are not going to carry guns and boot knives, but the idea of having one of the crew members (I am a captain on an engine company) carry an expandable baton either in the small of our back or even in one of our trauma bags (although it may not be readily available is s*it goes down in a house) may be the answere to our quest for piece of mind responding to some of our more dangerous areas with fun loving s*itizins..

So, my questions to my brotheren in blue is; are there any regulations/laws preventing civil servant firefighters from carrying an expandable baton in the name of self defence or crew protection?

Thanks for any information.

[safewaysecurity]

It's illegal.

[Sacmedic]

Cap,

You can carry a Streamlight or Maglight flashlight of the 3 "D" cell size. Very effective when needed and is a legitimate work tool otherwise. You can bring it inside during daylight if you think it may be hard to see inside. :-)

[Zedrek]

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