Why battle with the haters?

[CaptMike]

I have come to the opinion to not feed the trolls. I dont go to the OT forum and will rarely visit the 2nd amendment forum. Those people that are internet warriors have plenty of opinions and have nothing going on in their lives but starting trouble with others. they "get off" on instigating others. I choose not to feed that thrill for them. I have lots of experience with guns and work as a peace officer, so I can give folks some advice based on my experience. I dont participate on this forum to fight it out with ignorant people. So, gents and ladies, "Please Do not feed the trolls". thank you all for your daily sacrafices and stay safe.

[Librarian]

Here is a typical CalGuns thread where ethics will be seriously lacking.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7390766#post7390766

People often wonder what makes cops different. It is the mind set of doing the right thing, even if it hurts you personally, simply because it is the right thing to do.

Ethics is severly lacking with many CalGuns members.

And anyone who thinks that CalGuns, as a majority, are not anti-LE, is out of touch with reality.

[ mod hat off ]

OK, now, who is it painting with too broad a brush?

You're quite vocal about particular posts or members.

How is your post different?

[Patrick Aherne]

Gross inaccuracies drive me nuts. When some newspaper article comes out with about 10% of the required information needed to make a cogent decision on whether the cops performed properly, the usual suspects immediately go Lord of the Flies and start calling for heads. This drives me nuts because I've been in situations where the press reported one thing and darn near the exact opposite is what happened. I try to point this out and give the wait for the investigation to be finished line. However, arguing with morons is usually counter-productive and I should know better.

[Joewy]

Here is a typical CalGuns thread where ethics will be seriously lacking.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7390766#post7390766

People often wonder what makes cops different. It is the mind set of doing the right thing, even if it hurts you personally, simply because it is the right thing to do.

Ethics is severly lacking with many CalGuns members.

And anyone who thinks that CalGuns, as a majority, are not anti-LE, is out of touch with reality.

Ron... This is the internet. What do you expect?

I once had a LEO grab me by the arm, almost breaking it.
Then he of course searched me going thru every thing in my wallet and pockets, Pulling all my money out. Pretty much sticking it in his nose and snorting great gobs of air thru it trying to detect some sort of odor I suppose.
Calling me a drug dealer then a gambler then a thief among other things that were really disscusting and uncalled for. Knocked me down to the ground again. Then looked at my ID. Said "You arent so and so?" I said nope. Im not. Then he said I was free to go. No sorry, no nothing........

He was a discrace to LEO's af far as Im concerned. No ethics what so ever. But I dont judge the rest against him. I just trust them a whole lot less.

[TRICKSTER]

Didn't I see that on an episode of The Shield?

[Joewy]

Didn't I see that on an episode of The Shield?

So are you saying it is such a common tactic that they put it on tv?

[cdownin]

I guess civilians never do anything wrong to leo's right what is the point o bashing leave it in the past.

[bubbapug1]

And anyone who thinks that CalGuns, as a majority, are not anti-LE, is out of touch with reality.

Hey, look at my itrader rating. I have met a heck of a lot of Calgun members face to face, and shot with many of them too. We sometimes meet to discuss the board afterward, and of course to discuss guns.

I have not heard one negative comment regarding LEO...not one!!

I have heard a ton of Obama bashing, some Bush bashing (from me), a ton of congress bashing, and of course doj bashing, but no negative LEO comments (well, maybe we get a bit upset with your access to auto fire weapons)

I think your comment is unfair, but if you read the off topic forum on a regular basis perhaps your perceptions hence your opinions are skewed.

I think we all must ignore the press, the 1%'ers, and we do realize you folks are the thin blue line which seperates and protects us from the dredges of society, and when you can't be there....well, thats what a Saiga 12 is for!

Don't get into a us versus them thought situation...its a losing game.

[bill_k_lopez]

Will be? Already is.

*sigh* To be fair, Calguns is just a slice of the world at large. But even in this case, it's not *hurting* the OP in that thread to do the right thing.

He started the day with -0-, landed on $1000 (or whatever it's worth), and if he does the right thing (which I doubt will happen), ends up back at -0- in the worst case scenario, less the cost involved in doing the right thing (which is no cost more than the cost of living in civil society, IMO, so it's not relevant to the ongoing discussion there.)

And doing the right thing may end up being rewarding (though that shouldn't be the motivation) if no one claims the item after the statutory time and notice period is up.

Foo.

First of all do you actually BELIEVE those posts - the VERY first thing I think whenever I see posts like that is.... BS

I'm not saying that sh*t can't happen, and you couldn't wake up one day and find a panda coin in your back seat - but what do you think the odds are of that happening? And, if you DID find one - would you bother asking a bunch of people who YOU DON'T really know "what should I do?" - you think the OP of that story REALLY has no idea what to do with a gold coin he just found in his back seat?

Its all BS - junior high locker room posts - and everything that the rest of them post is just BS as well. Speculation and FUD, and their idea of what the "law" is etc.

[RazzB7]

I am not a LEO. (Dad was.)

I am neither a LEO hater nor a LEO cheerleader. I think there are good ones and bad ones, just like the rest of society. If you take a look at my post history, I think you'll see that is true.

But I do resent some of the posts in this thread because it paints "CGN as LEO bashers". That is NO DIFFERENT than someone saying "All cops hate 2A rights". It is too broad a stroke to have any legitimacy.

Yes, there are a vocal few who are quick to jump on a certain bandwagon. But it seems to me that there are a few LEO members who are just as quick to jump on the bandwagon travelling in the opposite direction.

I will be at the CalGuns booth in Del Mar at the next gun show on Sunday and I'll be happy to shake the hand of anyone who comes up to me, particularly law enforcement.

I would think that if any LEO thinks enough of CGN and CGF to join this forum, they would at least think enough to stop by and say "Hello"

[yzErnie]

First of all do you actually BELIEVE those posts

To be fair to folks, things they say should be accepted at face value unless indicated otherwise. I (we) see it every day where people lose something of value (wallet, checkbook, jewlrey, etc) and the person who finds it never makes any effort to find the rightful owner and plays that 'finders/keepers' thievery.

[Ron-Solo]

[ mod hat off ]

OK, now, who is it painting with too broad a brush?

You're quite vocal about particular posts or members.

How is your post different?

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this. Look at any post that comes up about LE. They always devolve into negative comments about LE, most of them vague and general in nature. The anti-LE comments outnumber the pro-LE comments every time and the mods end up shutting them down.

I am vocal about points, but always back it up with facts. I don't make personal attacks against individuals as a general rule. I will sometimes call someone out if they come into the LE forum and claim to be pro-LE when they clearly are not.

Some people think it is ok to come into the forum, especially the "off topic" area and advocate committing a variety of crimes. I will invariably report those posts. I will comment on those posts as a caution to other members, but try to refrain from directly addressing the offending member, since I am not a moderator.

If it was up to me, which it is not, anyone who advocated the commission of a crime would receive an immediate 3 day ban and the involved post would be deleted.

This forum has some good people, and I've met many, but it is letting a vocal group have way too much say. As long as the anti-LE sentiments run wild, CalGuns will have the impression of being anti-LE. In this case, perception is reality.

Sadly, one or two of the moderators are part of the problem in this arena. Before the LE forum had a moderator, I was asked if I was interested. I declined because I felt that I did not want to be tied down in my opinions. In my opinion, moderators need to be neutral so they can deal with the issues fairly. Just like being in LE, you can never completely take yur LE hat off.

That doesnt mean I believe that mods should not participate in discussions, or have an opinion, but they need to remember that they are representing more than themselves when they put an opinion out there. Same as being an off duty law enforcement officer.

[Notorious]

Edited by request

[Librarian]

You didn't address the post I quoted, so here it is again.

Here is a typical CalGuns thread where ethics will be seriously lacking.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7390766#post7390766

People often wonder what makes cops different. It is the mind set of doing the right thing, even if it hurts you personally, simply because it is the right thing to do.

Ethics is severly lacking with many CalGuns members.

And anyone who thinks that CalGuns, as a majority, are not anti-LE, is out of touch with reality.

Note the features:
"Here is a typical CalGuns thread "
"Ethics is severly lacking with many CalGuns members."
"And anyone who thinks that CalGuns, as a majority, are not anti-LE, is out of touch with reality."

All of these are overbroad generalizations of the kind you (properly) object to when applied to LEO.

There's 20,000+ active members of Calguns - have you seen anti-LEO posts from 10,001? You cannot possibly accurately state a majority of Calguns members are anti-LEO.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this. Look at any post that comes up about LE. They always devolve into negative comments about LE, most of them vague and general in nature. The anti-LE comments outnumber the pro-LE comments every time and the mods end up shutting them down.

I am vocal about points, but always back it up with facts. I don't make personal attacks against individuals as a general rule. I will sometimes call someone out if they come into the LE forum and claim to be pro-LE when they clearly are not.

[snip ...]

This forum has some good people, and I've met many, but it is letting a vocal group have way too much say. As long as the anti-LE sentiments run wild, CalGuns will have the impression of being anti-LE. In this case, perception is reality.

Sadly, one or two of the moderators are part of the problem in this arena. Before the LE forum had a moderator, I was asked if I was interested. I declined because I felt that I did not want to be tied down in my opinions. In my opinion, moderators need to be neutral so they can deal with the issues fairly. Just like being in LE, you can never completely take yur LE hat off.

That doesnt mean I believe that mods should not participate in discussions, or have an opinion, but they need to remember that they are representing more than themselves when they put an opinion out there. Same as being an off duty law enforcement officer.

I don't say your perception is wrong; I do say that you are as capable of an inappropriate generalization as anyone else. I'm happy to say you do a much better job of keeping them out of your posts than many others.

You are discussing a genuine problem. I've seen threads circle the drain with a hundred posts in 10 minutes. You already acknowledge "the mods end up shutting them down."

I can't tell exactly what your expectations may be.

[Ron-Solo]

You didn't address the post I quoted, so here it is again.


Note the features:
"Here is a typical CalGuns thread "

The thread I quoted is a very common theme.


"Ethics is severly lacking with many CalGuns members."

I stand behind this statement. Look at any thread discussing found property or doing the right thing.

"And anyone who thinks that CalGuns, as a majority, are not anti-LE, is out of touch with reality."

Well, I might have to narrow that a bit, to just some of the active posters. I don't have access to the figures, but there is a large number of anti-LE members out there

All of these are overbroad generalizations of the kind you (properly) object to when applied to LEO.

These statements were made individually, and you have lumped them all together

There's 20,000+ active members of Calguns - have you seen anti-LEO posts from 10,001? You cannot possibly accurately state a majority of Calguns members are anti-LEO.



I don't say your perception is wrong; I do say that you are as capable of an inappropriate generalization as anyone else. I'm happy to say you do a much better job of keeping them out of your posts than many others.

You are discussing a genuine problem. I've seen threads circle the drain with a hundred posts in 10 minutes. You already acknowledge "the mods end up shutting them down."

Shutting them down is only part of the solution

I can't tell exactly what your expectations may be.

My expectations are simple, be proactive in stopping inappropriate posters, they are usually repeat offenders. I agree the LE bashing can be subjective and each case must be dealt with individually, so there is no easy fix. On the other hand, the posts advocating the commission of a crime are black and white to me, and need to be dealt with clearly and quickly.

One recent post suggested burning a swastika into someone's lawn to get them to refund money in a civil matter where there was clearly not enough info to determine which side was in the right. There are a LOT of posts recommending people deal with their problem by means of vandalism. Some of those acts of vandalism arise to a felony hate crime.

I expect those posts to be dealt with decisively and severely. Until stuff like that is under control, CalGuns suffers in general.

Here is another that just popped up. One member suggested it be moved to " Off Topic" where it doesn't belong either.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=493221

It is posts like these that drag us all down. I know there are not a lot of moderators, but these things just stand up and scream.