ccw traffic stop

[Jared1981]

Being a CCW is issued by a county and not the state it is not linked with DMV records. That's why if you have a CCW part of the requirement is to state you have when when contacted by an LEO.

Cite please?

California does not require notification. People's opinions on the matter are irrelevant. Most people just do it because they want to get out of a ticket (nothing wrong with that).

A small minority of states have mandatory disclosure, California does not have that requirement.

The notification laws are endangered anyway. The Buckeye Firearms Association is thinking about suing Ohio over the disclosure law as it violates your right to remain silent.

Constitutional Conditioning has never been accepted.

[TheExpertish]

Thank you. Just remember, we have the 5th Amendment. Someone posted a video a few months back (I think on here), of a dash cam from an LEO outside of CA. The person said they had a CCW, and the cop ran back to his car, grabbed a rifle and called for back up. Within 4 minutes, 6 or 7 other LEO's were onscene, all coming code 3, and pointed their guns at the poor guy.
I am not saying, by any means, that that is the norm, or that would happen.... but people forget just how anti gun our state is.

Explain how this is useful if you are trying to show how anti-gun our state is by telling a story you claim is from an incident OUTSIDE of CA.

yawn..... I remember why i stay out of this section of the forum....

I must have zero knowledge of anything going on, as far as CCW's...right?

Since you clearly didn't read the last sentence of what I wrote, please allow me to quote it for you.



I am not an LEO, but it is clear that you guys are with the biased insults. My answers are based on my personal experience with Sheriff's thru out the state, more specifically, about CCW's on first hand accounts. I wouldn't tell a cop if I had a CCW, why would I announce it on a forum, which I use my real name on?

More specifically, the point I was trying to get across, before I was insulted, is many LEO's in this state do not understand why civilians need firearms. Nowhere in that quote, did I specify that all or even most of the LEO's in this state, would act like that.

Now tell me gentlemen, am i incorrect in that statement in bold?

I am incorrect when I stated it may cause unwanted attention?

Maybe you guys feel that the Constitution and the right to remain silent isn't relevant, if a Non LEO gets the Sheriffs permission, to carry a concealed firearm, right?

You probably stay out of this forum because you're not a LEO. The OP's question was specifically asking LEO's how he should proceed when pulled over by an LEO. Notice the term LEO.

I don't think it shows our state is anti-gun but that the police policies and responses are anti-gun/freedom.

Really FUD spreader? If that's the case the you're preaching the the wrong LEO's.

Bzzz, wrong answer - a bazillion times ... maybe

Ultimately it depends on what form of automatic database crosschecking happens.

What department do you work for? Your dispatch must be more efficient. I don't even know what database CCW's are entered in. CLETS? ARJIS?

Cite please?

California does not require notification. People's opinions on the matter are irrelevant. Most people just do it because they want to get out of a ticket (nothing wrong with that).

A small minority of states have mandatory disclosure, California does not have that requirement.

The notification laws are endangered anyway. The Buckeye Firearms Association is thinking about suing Ohio over the disclosure law as it violates your right to remain silent.

Constitutional Conditioning has never been accepted.

I should have specified San Diego County.

[mej16489]

What department do you work for? Your dispatch must be more efficient. I don't even know what database CCW's are entered in. CLETS? ARJIS?

I'm no longer in sworn law enforcement - they're available in AFS.

It wouldn't be appropriate for me to state which agencies do more automated crosschecking then others; but it does happen...but it is extremely rare at this point.

Basically along the same lines as information pertaining to past calls for service at an address.

[Beagle]

More specifically, the point I was trying to get across, before I was insulted, is many LEO's in this state do not understand why civilians need firearms.

Now tell me gentlemen, am i incorrect in that statement in bold?

Not an LEO but that's not true, all the LEO I talk to agree that a civilian need a firearm. (Didn't talk about ccw) but the answer alway was when someone breaks into your house first thing you grab is your handgun and not the phone, the phone is second.

Police Officers are like 10 mins away or so.

[Steyrlp10]

This is how I did traffic stops...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrK4llAu2T0

Lol... passed it onto my Better Half for review

[Ron-Solo]

Cite please?

California does not require notification. People's opinions on the matter are irrelevant. Most people just do it because they want to get out of a ticket (nothing wrong with that).

No, the state doesnt require it, but the issuing authority can make that a condition

A small minority of states have mandatory disclosure, California does not have that requirement.

The notification laws are endangered anyway. The Buckeye Firearms Association is thinking about suing Ohio over the disclosure law as it violates your right to remain silent.

Seriously? You obviously dont have a working knowledge on how Miranda works. You have a right against self incrimination of a crime uring a criminal investigation. If you have a CCW license, you are not committing a crime, so how in the heck would requiring notification be in violation of Miranda?

Constitutional Conditioning has never been accepted.

Please spread your misinformation somewhere else. This is the Law Enforcement forum where we strive to give out accurate, real world advice rather than biased anti-CA innuendos and fluff.

[Ron-Solo]

Thank you. Just remember, we have the 5th Amendment. Someone posted a video a few months back (I think on here), of a dash cam from an LEO outside of CA. The person said they had a CCW, and the cop ran back to his car, grabbed a rifle and called for back up. Within 4 minutes, 6 or 7 other LEO's were onscene, all coming code 3, and pointed their guns at the poor guy.
I am not saying, by any means, that that is the norm, or that would happen.... but people forget just how anti gun our state is.

You cite an incident that you know isnt from California and associate it to how CA LE might respond, and you accuse us of insulting you when we call you on it. Seriously? That is an insult to many of us here who are doing the job daily, or did it for many years.

You need to seriously reconsider your understanding of Miranda as it works in the real world, not what you see on TV here they are advising some one of their rights after a struggle, but haven't cuffed him yet. Miranda doesn't come into play until you are suspected of specific criminal activity. If you have a ccw permit, you are not committing a crime, you your right to remain silent is totally irrelevant.

Being a CalGuns section leader, whatever that means anyway, does not make you an expert on police procedures.

You are welcome in the LE forum anytime in my opinion, but this isnt "off topic" and the regular LE members here try to keep a high standard when it comes to info posted here.

Pride, Integrity, Guts

[snovvman]

+1

1) No such thing as a "normal" traffic stop.

2) In general, Miranda is not required/applicable until there is custody (under arrest) AND interrogation. Nothing like TV...

There can be hundreds of factors that affect a T-stop. In general, I would say you're better off making it known sooner than later. You're likely to make the LEO much more nervous [and suspicious] if the CCW surfaces some other way.

[retired]

I believe the OP has sufficient info from what has been posted by the leos (both active and retired) and there is no need for this to continue.