Keep fighting the good fight

[Hopalong]

You're right, as a member of the general public, I really don't know what you guys do, how you do it, or why.

I just know someone has to do it, and it doesn't interest me.

I also realize the media seems to be more into the entertainment business, and less into the news business. The sensationalism is ridiculous.

I believe the vast majority of the general public are not only pro LE

But are also willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt

Even when there is a negatively skewed media bias on a particular story.

A few things to remember...

The media never reports houses that don't burn down.

Most good goes unnoticed

And your supporters are mostly silent; a kind of "no news is good news" thing

I check out this sub-forum every day and find it very informative and interesting

However, I am reluctant to post here, and was reluctant to post this, but I did anyway

To show my support

I'd be willing to bet there are hundreds, if not thousands, of silent supporters

For every one negative complainer.

I am appreciative for what you guys do.

[tyrist]

I too have read all the anti LEO junk here. Anyways...What I thought would be fun would be to go the opposite direction.

In other words go with the LEO haters flow and carry it beyond. Especially with search and seizure questions. Example....With respect to "No Knock Warrants" (of which in my 31 years I've served zero of them) just say you served them all the time and they were fun. If they don't want to hear the truth (no knocks warrants being rare).....well I say turn it on them.

Lets face it.....going "off topic" on a Cal Guns thread is normal and somewhat encouraged!

*My Heine .45 fell out and it went across the entire street because the suspect or me kicked it at the same time I tackled him. We both were depressed.

I have a strong suspicion they are confusing "no knock" with "dynamic entry".

[fullrearview]

I have a strong suspicion they are confusing "no knock" with "dynamic entry".

Exactly.

[lavgrunt]

Well....Time to fess up......It was some 'to and fro' posts by me and 'Irishjoe' that got SVT's last post locked.......one of the haters got on the thread and posted some CARAZZZYY.....strait anticop BS........we fired back eventho RETIREID asked us to let it go..........not our finest hour, but nobody disrespects our brothers and sisters and gets away with it.......but RETIRED was right and we should have honored his request........sorry SVT

[SVT-40]

No problem, and no apology needed. Better to have to much back up than not enough. In fact I'm sure you handled your self better than I would have if I had seen the comments!!!!

When aid is needed we all know it doesn't matter who shows up, as long as someone does.

So thanks for having my back!!!

[Notorious]

Screw that! If I had seen it you know I'd be rollin' hard to get your back!!!!

[IrishJoe3]

Lavgrunt is right, he and I were on a roll. I knew I shoulda left it alone but just couldn't resist. Sorry, Retired!

[retired]

Lavgrunt is right, he and I were on a roll. I knew I shoulda left it alone but just couldn't resist. Sorry, Retired!

Accepted.

[Falconis]

No problem, and no apology needed. Better to have to much back up than not enough. In fact I'm sure you handled your self better than I would have if I had seen the comments!!!!

When aid is needed we all know it doesn't matter who shows up, as long as someone does.

So thanks for having my back!!!

Waiting for the obligitory, "Why you all need so many cops for this car stop? You're all treating me like I'm a criminal. I'm not a criminal ..."

Sorry for some reason that popped into my head ...

[sendithit]

There are obviously more non-LEOs than there are LEOs. The "us vs them" mentality appears to come more from the non-LEOs than from the LEOs themselves. To whit: Watch what happens to most non-LEO's behavior toward a person they've met for the first time once that person has been identified as an off-duty LEO. Its very predictable and all of you reading this know what I'm talking about. OTOH, most off-duty LEOs (after the rookie shine has finally taken on a realistic patina) will want to behave as normally and as regularly around normal and regular non-LEO folks because that's what/who they are....they just have a different job to do.

[TRICKSTER]

Well....Time to fess up......It was some 'to and fro' posts by me and 'Irishjoe' that got SVT's last post locked.......one of the haters got on the thread and posted some CARAZZZYY.....strait anticop BS........we fired back eventho RETIREID asked us to let it go..........not our finest hour, but nobody disrespects our brothers and sisters and gets away with it.......but RETIRED was right and we should have honored his request........sorry SVT

At least it's still there. Part 2 was entirely deleted. Went to bed one night, no nasty post or comments, next day the entire thread was gone. Too bad as there were some well thought out opinions posted there as well as some problems that Calguns should address if they are interested in the support of the LEO community.

[SVT-40]

Just noticed that. In addition The moderator M. sage reopened the original closed thread so he could post on it. Here is what he said.


His first post:

Another party I wasn't invited to?

I'm not an LEO, but since the thread is about me, tough cookies.

For the record, go look at that thread. The post you quoted is not used in the context you put it in.

So thank you very much for taking my words out of context (and you actually had to put effort into changing the context!!!) to attack me. Why did you purposely ignore the part where I said "but since you mentioned it"? I was not speculating on whether or not that shooting involved full auto weapons, in fact I believe it only involved semi-auto shooting.

What disturbs me on Calguns is the moderator bashing. A mod can't have an opinion without people purposely putting his statements out of context to attack him. I'm not sure what you're doing here, either.

His second post:


"Dang. I just realized the thread was closed. Rather than reopen it, respond to my by PM.

If you don't, I couldn't care less, but if you've got something to say to or about me, don't go running to a group you know will be sympathetic just for the sake of bad-mouthing me when I hardly ever come to this area, which is easy to tell by my lack posts except the "no cop bashing" sticky at the top.

Man up and confront me or STFU, son. "



Sorry , but I didn't change the context. Your post was just quoted. Here was my statement related to what you posted about LEO's not needing FA weapons.

"Even a moderator joined in and stated LEO's should not have full auto weapons. Even though there is no evidence any FA weapons were employed."

How is that over critical? You did join in and opine that LEO's should not have FA weapons. My comments were not disrespectful just dis agreeing with your opinion.

Moderators should be held to a higher standard don't you think? You have the power to open closed threads and edit or entirely remove any posting.

As far as needing to "man up". Seriously aren't you just a bit to upset over this? Besides If I were to confront you I'm sure the posts would mysteriously vanish like some other posts I recently posted where I defended the LEO's in The Costco shooting with facts of the case. My posts were deleted, but the posts by those who made wildly incorrect or absolutely false posts defending the suspect were left up.



I support that you can have an opinion. However we non moderators as also just as entitled as you to our opinions.

So as far as your STFU comment. No, however I'm sure my voice will be censored where yours will not.

[TRICKSTER]

Wonder how long it will be before this thread disappears?
Apparently, shining a light on certain behavior, and how it reflects on Calguns, is not allowed here.
I must say though, I am glad it happened as it has shown me that this is not a place that I would want to be publicly linked to as a volunteer wearing the Calguns logo. When even the Mods are making anti LEO statements and trolling, it is just too much. I will stay for the information that is traded in the various forums, but that is all.

[biochembruin]

I just reread the original closed thread that M. Sage decided to post on, justified by his reasoning "...but since the thread is about me, tough cookies."

I only found one reference to him by name, in the first post. How was that entire thread about him??? Seems kind of childish and self centered to try to goad someone into a response by saying, "Man up and confront me or STFU, son," on a locked thread, specifically so no one will see a PM response.

I'm with Trickster on this one. When entire threads are being deleted which address an issue that I, personally, have a stake in, that signifies to me that this forum may not be a place for me. I too will stick around for the wealth of gun info, but that is all. Someone else can donate their money, I'll spend mine on ammo.

[Jack L]

At least it's still there. Part 2 was entirely deleted. Went to bed one night, no nasty post or comments, next day the entire thread was gone. Too bad as there were some well thought out opinions posted there as well as some problems that Calguns should address if they are interested in the support of the LEO community.

What about having only LEOs as moderators in the LEO section? After all, no matter what layman may think, it takes a LEO to truly understand a LEO most of the time. Would not that be a fair way to moderate the LEO section?